Comments Thread For: The misunderstanding of Imane Khelif's past and present

[Straightener]

Worlds cooked , imagine what it’s gonna be like down the line . Beyond . I’m not into conspiracies or whatever but this whole olympics has been gey as folk

[Sammy7861992]

First of all nothing makes me more sick than seeing the opening ceremony and all this lgbt... bs. it really makea me sick to see where our world is going and how they try to brainwash our future generations.
Here it is not as obvoius and clear as you guys are trying to make it. In my opinion we cant look at the testestorone level of athletes because humans are different and of course the most top athletes have advantages they are born with, this is the same in every sport at the elite level, from different bone tensity to a specifc way tendons are attached or just simply way higher hormone levels. If you are the average joe you are most likely not a elite athlete.

All that said i go with a simple view if she is a born women and this can be proven, than make one last test and make her strip down if she is a women and during puperty no miracle happened and she can give birth to kids than she is a real women not that tran..ny sh..t. Only a women can give birth that simple, i dont give a damn about xy or whatever, if you can give birth and never had a p.nis than you are a women. And look at that girl she even fights like a women, she is weak as hell and the italian women was a little baby her nose was not even damaged, she is just a typical cry baby girl like most in nowadays society a born quitter. feed that algerian women to a 20 year old claressa shields and she will get busted up. She a women and not even a strong one this is definetly no tra.n...ny. Savanah marshal would absolutley manhandle her just by pure strenght advantage

To be fair some woman can't give birth to kids over ovary problems , but i agree with Ur other stuff , if Ur born with a penis U should compet with people who weren't in any sport

[AmpMcv]

The fact that boxingscene posted this is indicative of their agenda.

[Elpatron2]

Ahah

[Elheath]

I've seen many sources now claim that she was born as a woman. If her birth certificate says so, then the controversy needs to stop, even if she looks like a man.

I've read she may have hyperandrogenism, which causes high testosterone levels and it reminded me of the track and field athlete Caster Semenya. Their condition gives them an advantage over normal women, but they can't compete with men at all.

My understanding is that this person was listed as a woman at birth on the birth certificate because of the lack of visible male genetalia at birth, but owns the XY chromosome...which, by biological definition, is a male. Extreme example, but if the doctors half a century ago was super drunk when Mayweather was born and had written down that newborn Floyd was a female on his birth certificate and his mom for some reason didn't doubt it and raised him as a girl all his life, that won't have made him a woman IMO for the case of sports.

Honestly in the case of sports they should stop using man or woman and LGBT self identification but only go by the chromosome and call it the Y-division and non-Y division at this point.

[Elheath]

To be fair some woman can't give birth to kids over ovary problems , but i agree with Ur other stuff , if Ur born with a penis U should compet with people who weren't in any sport

People can be born without certain genetalia too...regardless of what they identity as, it should be coming down to do you own a Y chromosome or not in your DNA, simple as that.

[Toffee]

People can be born without certain genetalia too...regardless of what they identity as, it should be coming down to do you own a Y chromosome or not in your DNA, simple as that.

I would have thought the presence of cochenballs would be the easiest solution rather than going for chromosomes.

It's pretty straight forward then.

Coch - man
Vagina - woman
Indeterminate - mutant, not eligible.

If you get a woman with manly power then you suck it up and take your beating like a woman.

If you get a man who is a bit of a sissy, then they can go and find something else to do.

[Elheath]

I would have thought the presence of cochenballs would be the easiest solution rather than going for chromosomes.

It's pretty straight forward then.

Coch - man
Vagina - woman
Indeterminate - mutant, not eligible.

If you get a woman with manly power then you suck it up and take your beating like a woman.

If you get a man who is a bit of a sissy, then they can go and find something else to do.

The world will have a lot of mutants then because the visual queue of genitals for newborns are not always simple to 100% identify, not to mention any baby born with deformed genitals will be screwed for life. Compared to that, chromosomes are not going to be changed due to self ID or LGBT or surgery post birth so it is very straight forward in this day and age.

For Khelif, then the question becomes is a person which was born with the XY chromosome and had a hole in the crotch from birth, but that hole doesn't have the ability to menstrate nor the chest doesn't have any growth at puberty, is that hole considered to have a "vagina" or just a physical deformity in that case?

The personal identity or birth certificate isn't my issue here and I don't think Khelif isn't a transgender by LGBT definitions, but I also have a hard time understanding that someone born with natural XY chromosome should be considered a biological female at birth because the newborn didn't have extra meat dangling on the crotch.

[BlackRobb]

You sound pretty uneducated and ignorant. Or is it just an act to get laughs?

[MikeyG]

That is the problem with basically all man-made categories. You will inevitably have someone/ something that doesn't fit into them.