Comments Thread For: The misunderstanding of Imane Khelif's past and present

[eco1]

There is no "misunderstanding". "She" should not be allowed to beat up biological women.

I still remember the times we called things by their names. Men, women.

Biological... LOL.

[Slip jab]

Up until a year ago, my perception of this issue was straight forward now I have a bit of an understanding and compassion toward the ***** community.

[eco1]

They talk about domestic violence and violence against women. I guess if you want to hit a woman at home you just need a POS ring inside the house.....

FV*K the agenda. At the end of the day you either go to a Gynecologist or a Urologist.

[dft313]

There is no "misunderstanding". "She" should not be allowed to beat up biological women.

She is a biological woman.

[dft313]

The world will have a lot of mutants then because the visual queue of genitals for newborns are not always simple to 100% identify, not to mention any baby born with deformed genitals will be screwed for life. Compared to that, chromosomes are not going to be changed due to self ID or LGBT or surgery post birth so it is very straight forward in this day and age.

For Khelif, then the question becomes is a person which was born with the XY chromosome and had a hole in the crotch from birth, but that hole doesn't have the ability to menstrate nor the chest doesn't have any growth at puberty, is that hole considered to have a "vagina" or just a physical deformity in that case?

The personal identity or birth certificate isn't my issue here and I don't think Khelif isn't a transgender by LGBT definitions, but I also have a hard time understanding that someone born with natural XY chromosome should be considered a biological female at birth because the newborn didn't have extra meat dangling on the crotch.

Does a woman’s inability to have children make her less of a woman?

[Toffee]

The world will have a lot of mutants then because the visual queue of genitals for newborns are not always simple to 100% identify, not to mention any baby born with deformed genitals will be screwed for life. Compared to that, chromosomes are not going to be changed due to self ID or LGBT or surgery post birth so it is very straight forward in this day and age.

For Khelif, then the question becomes is a person which was born with the XY chromosome and had a hole in the crotch from birth, but that hole doesn't have the ability to menstrate nor the chest doesn't have any growth at puberty, is that hole considered to have a "vagina" or just a physical deformity in that case?

The personal identity or birth certificate isn't my issue here and I don't think Khelif isn't a transgender by LGBT definitions, but I also have a hard time understanding that someone born with natural XY chromosome should be considered a biological female at birth because the newborn didn't have extra meat dangling on the crotch.

It's a very small percentage of people who don't meet traditional definitions of gender. And there will be a very small percentage who don't fit in with any criteria. You simply can't satisfy everyone and trying to is taking us down the road to actually having men compete with women.

As a species we had this figured out for millennia. Men give, women take, and the ones in the middle won't be passing on any genetic material anyway so it doesn't matter.

Or carry on with the testing and watch it get abused by hippies.

[Toffee]

She is a biological woman.

Correct (or so we are to believe).

People need to decide which battles are worth fighting. This one isn't. There one where actual men qualify under complicated testing procedures is the real fight.

[Elheath]

Does a woman’s inability to have children make her less of a woman?

Fertility doesn't determine woman, nor chest size or feminine facial structures or the softness of the buttocks or whatever else. Also, to be honest I personally don't give a fudge who decides to self identify as a female or male and LGBT and any other personal preference. However strictly in terms of DNA, should anyone who is naturally born with XY chromosome be considered a biological female or a biological male, in which from a scientific POV my definition is that those with Y is a male and those without Y is a female, regardless of reproduction abilities or sexual preference or identity. And frankly, if a biological XY self identifies themselves as a female and wants to live their lives as a woman, they should...EXCEPT in terms of sports and physical competition because I believe sports is one area where it should be differentiated between biological gender. That is why if the whole male-female stuff is too crazy these days so scrap that idea and differentiate by the Y chromosome is what I am saying should be done...not by the existence of stick and balls or the hole in the crotch or fertility abilities or sexual preference or identification.

A transgender female can compete in sports idntifying themselves as a woman in the Y-division. A transgender male can compete in the non-Y division as long as their hormone levels aren't breaking the rules set by doping requirements for that sport. If the transgender male gets disqualified from the non-Y division, it will not be due to being a transgender but due to not following anti-doping policies.

[Elheath]

And to be frank, the whole issue with Swyer's Syndrome which Khelif likely has will certainly continue to be a can of worms in the case of Y-division and non-Y division, but as unfortunate for those that suffer from it, the world has gone too deep into the whole LGBT and sports issue that I think that the 99999 genetic XX deserves differentiation from the however many genetic XY identifying as females plus one XY suffering from Swyer's.

[James Hunt]

If only people were so interested in issues that actually affect their lives.