Comments Thread For: What's next for Devin Haney?

[JonDP]

PEDs are what I’m involved in for a living mate, I likely know more than this entire board combined about this topic.

No PEDs don’t increase IQ, but yes it can definitely aid toward accuracy, amongst EVERY OTHER component of physicality.

It’s actually mind numbing at this point with you people, how can you not understand the gigantic difference an assisted athlete has in comparison to an unassisted one? Everything they can do physically is increased ten fold.

We have NO IDEA what Ryan Garcia is capable of doing to Devin Haney without assistance.

Naaa… a juiced up dud will remain a dud, save your ****** lecture roid man.
People best give Garcia some credit. He’s a pretty darn good fighter who figured out a way to beat Haney’s áss on fight night . Haney and his team suspected something was up. If they were so afraid of PED use, why didn’t they pull out of the fight?

[IronDanHamza]

Naaa… a juiced up dud will remain a dud, save your ****** lecture roid man.
People best give Garcia some credit. He’s a pretty darn good fighter who figured out a way to beat Haney’s áss on fight night . Haney and his team suspected something was up. If they were so afraid of PED use, why didn’t they pull out of the fight?

Figured a way to beat him…with PEDs….

I’m not sure where you are lost on that.

What do you mean if they were afraid of PED use? You can’t just pull out of a fight on a thought with no evidence you fuckin retard.

His multiple failed tests were revealed after the fight was done.

[JonDP]

Figured a way to beat him…with PEDs….

I’m not sure where you are lost on that.

What do you mean if they were afraid of PED use? You can’t just pull out of a fight on a thought with no evidence you fuckin retard.

His multiple failed tests were revealed after the fight was done.

How much did little baby lose on Haney? His little butt hurting?
Leading up to the fight, the Haneys called out Garcia’s crazy behavior multiple times, plus he didn’t make weight. Are you implying they suspected nothing? At that point they had all the grounds for pulling out of the fight, but they thought they could beat Garcia no matter what, and, well, everybody saw what happened.

[IronDanHamza]

How much did little baby lose on Haney? His little butt hurting?
Leading up to the fight, the Haneys called out Garcia’s crazy behavior multiple times, plus he didn’t make weight. Are you implying they suspected nothing? At that point they had all the grounds for pulling out of the fight, but they thought they could beat Garcia no matter what, and, well, everybody saw what happened.

I was heavily rooting for Garcia you daft cunt

I just also live in a reality based world where Garcia was using PEDs, as a matter of fact. I’m not sure how this is difficult for you retards to understand.

And no they didn’t have any grounds to pull out of the fight. The only rule Garcia broke to their knowledge was missing weight, which they then negotiated a new contract for for the fight to go ahead at a new weight class.

So no you can’t just pull out because you think someone might be taking PEDs, because, they might not be, you don’t know.

Until he tested positive, then they did know, which was after the fight had already happened.

[JonDP]

I was heavily rooting for Garcia you daft cunt

I just also live in a reality based world where Garcia was using PEDs, as a matter of fact. I’m not sure how this is difficult for you retards to understand.

And no they didn’t have any grounds to pull out of the fight. The only rule Garcia broke to their knowledge was missing weight, which they then negotiated a new contract for for the fight to go ahead at a new weight class.

So no you can’t just pull out because you think someone might be taking PEDs, because, they might not be, you don’t know.

Until he tested positive, then they did know, which was after the fight had already happened.

They taught Garcia was s#it and that Haney would put a beating on him, plain and simple. By ‘grounds’ I’m not talking legal speak, I meant they could (and should have) bailed if they wanted to, because of the weight primarily, but also the erratic behavior. Of course the PED’s played a factor. But to say that that is the only reason Garcia won is garbage. Heck, if Haney had fought a smart fight, stuck to his counter-punching and picking his spots, he would have walked away with the decision. Instead he fought an emotional fight, with the mental agenda of “I’m going to teach this guy a lesson”, recklessly moving forward, which made him just fall into Garcia’s left hook all night. On the flip side, we will never know if the outcome would have been any different even if Garcia didn’t cheat.

[IronDanHamza]

They taught Garcia was s#it and that Haney would put a beating on him, plain and simple. By ‘grounds’ I’m not talking legal speak, I meant they could (and should have) bailed if they wanted to, because of the weight primarily, but also the erratic behavior. Of course the PED’s played a factor. But to say that that is the only reason Garcia won is garbage. Heck, if Haney had fought a smart fight, stuck to his counter-punching and picking his spots, he would have walked away with the decision. Instead he fought an emotional fight, with the mental agenda of “I’m going to teach this guy a lesson”, recklessly moving forward, which made him just fall into Garcia’s left hook all night. On the flip side, we will never know if the outcome would have been any different even if Garcia didn’t cheat.

It’s irrelevant what they thought. They could have bailed for any reason, they’d didn’t. Who cares?

None of it changes the fact Garcia was on PEDs when he fought him and we have no idea what he could or would do if he wasn’t.

[MusoMeanderings]

OKay, looks like I caught some flak here.

Let me make myself clear.

I do realize that Haney's black.

And that has nothing to do with me calling the brother ugly.

It's just that his face is on the par with Rigondeaux and Spence.

Can't cheer for that face.

And Haney's father has poodle's hair on top of that. And he talks about "passing torch" form Maywetaher.

FOH.

[crimsonfalcon07]

How can you say that? If he’s assisted, which we know categorically he was, then he’s stronger, faster, sharper, and everything else in between. Meaning that his ability to land punches, and the effect those punches have, is vastly increased.

To say they played no part is as close to illogical as it gets.

I didn't say it played no part. I said Haney would still get hit with the flaws he displayed. I am well aware you know about PEDs. I'm less convinced that you know about fighting. PEDs, whatever you say, do not make you 10 times faster, and even if they did, as I've stated before, the issues leading to Haney getting caught were technical, strategic, and his inability to make adjustments.

How can you say the fact that his and his corner didn't make adjustments to avoid getting caught by the left hook come down to his opponent being on PEDs? You think PEDs gave Ryan the ability to telepathically fog his corners' minds so none of them could do much as suggest that he keep his glove up, or roll out, fake the jab and then stiff jab into Ryan's face when he's trying to throw that hook? Zero adjustments. Zero. That's not world champion behavior. He's had these issues in every fight. Ryan was, factually, their first opponent who was similar in size. And I'm telling you here that he's going to continue to face these issues at 147, or 154 and up which is where most of the people his size are competing.

[IronDanHamza]

I didn't say it played no part. I said Haney would still get hit with the flaws he displayed. I am well aware you know about PEDs. I'm less convinced that you know about fighting. PEDs, whatever you say, do not make you 10 times faster, and even if they did, as I've stated before, the issues leading to Haney getting caught were technical, strategic, and his inability to make adjustments.

How can you say the fact that his and his corner didn't make adjustments to avoid getting caught by the left hook come down to his opponent being on PEDs? You think PEDs gave Ryan the ability to telepathically fog his corners' minds so none of them could do much as suggest that he keep his glove up, or roll out, fake the jab and then stiff jab into Ryan's face when he's trying to throw that hook? Zero adjustments. Zero. That's not world champion behavior. He's had these issues in every fight. Ryan was, factually, their first opponent who was similar in size. And I'm telling you here that he's going to continue to face these issues at 147, or 154 and up which is where most of the people his size are competing.

Ah mate just shut the fuck up with your tiresome nonsense. You are a child. How old are you? In your 20’s if I had to guess. What do you know about fighting? Acting like you’re some top trainer or something Who have you ever trained to have that grandeur opinion of yourself? I hate to break to you mate but your takes are hardly prolifically groundbreaking.

You’ve just said “how can I say his corner not making adjustments come down to his opponent being on PEDs?” WHEN did I say that? Oh yeah, I didn’t. So stop talking shit.

YOU said “he wasn’t landing because he was stronger and faster” that is a plain ridiculous thing to say. The fact you’re synthetically assisted will play a huge part in being able to both land punches, and the effect those punches had. I never said it was the only reason, but to dimiss the fact that is plays quite the fckin gigantic role is as ****** as it gets.

Haney’s flaws are totally irrelevant to the point. Ryan Garcia was assisted, win or lose, that plays a HUGE part in what happens in the fight. Without PED’s we have no idea if he could even land those punches, just an 10th slower and who knows if he Haney sees the punch coming and avoids it, we don’t know, and especially don’t know with the what velocity.

Thus, the point.

[elfag]

Haney is massive, barely makes 140. He has a problem, he has zero power at 140, he will have even less at 147 and the blue print on how to beat him is out. he dont like pressure and his defense isnt that great. His primarly winning strategy in the past was massive weight cuts combined with wrestling on the inside to prevent his opponents from landing and getting in his on the outside so he can be up on the cards.

This makes it a problem at 147, he wont be able to wrestle them as well and he dont have the power to keep them off him.

I predict they will take a guy from 140, maybe even a former 135 pounder and fight him at either a catch weight or 147. probably a catch weight like 144/145. Then he doesnt have to face actual welters. They will have to buy their time. He is another ricky hatton once he cant make 140 its over for him at the top level.