Comments Thread For: What's next for Devin Haney?

[smith3536]

Ryan became Superman, faster and stronger than everyone. Poor Haney, he couldn't even see Ryan's punches.
Make adjustments ? Nah, Ryan is Superman, no adjustment could avoid super speed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWTbLZCR84k

[crimsonfalcon07]

Ah mate just shut the fuck up with your tiresome nonsense. You are a child. How old are you? In your 20’s if I had to guess. What do you know about fighting? Acting like you’re some top trainer or something Who have you ever trained to have that grandeur opinion of yourself? I hate to break to you mate but your takes are hardly prolifically groundbreaking.

You’ve just said “how can I say his corner not making adjustments come down to his opponent being on PEDs?” WHEN did I say that? Oh yeah, I didn’t. So stop talking shit.

YOU said “he wasn’t landing because he was stronger and faster” that is a plain ridiculous thing to say. The fact you’re synthetically assisted will play a huge part in being able to both land punches, and the effect those punches had. I never said it was the only reason, but to dimiss the fact that is plays quite the fckin gigantic role is as ****** as it gets.

Haney’s flaws are totally irrelevant to the point. Ryan Garcia was assisted, win or lose, that plays a HUGE part in what happens in the fight. Without PED’s we have no idea if he could even land those punches, just an 10th slower and who knows if he Haney sees the punch coming and avoids it, we don’t know, and especially don’t know with the what velocity.

Thus, the point.

Wow, you're really in your feelings about this. I've been in the fight game for more than 20 years. You simply aren't reading, so there's no more point continuing this. If Haney continues his career and fights guys who are his size, you will find out why technical flaws and strategic flaws are relevant.

To play your ****** game, when have I ever dismissed the role it plays? Go back and reread the first two sentences of post you quoted. No wonder you have so much experience with PEDs. Apparently your ego needs the help. I said Haney would still get hit with his flaws. Which is true. The effect of the punches may have been enhanced to some effect (how much, as I've said, I'm willing to take your word for).

But it's literally fact that Ryan only has a left hook. It's fact that Haney doesn't keep his right glove up. It's fact that he made no adjustments. It's fact that Ryan is the first opponent he's ever had that was close to his own size. None of that has anything to do with gear. You have been insisting this whole time that I've been saying PEDs play no role, which is categorically false. I'm on record numerous times conceding that point. YOU are the one acting like whether or not an opponent is on gear is the ONLY relevant consideration (you said we don't know ANYTHING about how the fight would go without gear), and that suggests consequently that you think things like boxing skill, technique, technical flaws, strategy, ability to make adjustments, mean NOTHING AT ALL in the face of a picogram finding of Ostarine. That's why I know YDKSAB. Just beyond absurd. Why even have fights at all if the presence of PEDs is the only thing that mattered? By your measure, Robert Helenius must have won that fight with AJ, because he was on PEDs.

What you've done here is textbook logical fallacies. You insist on trying to force me into the most extreme position, saying I completely dismiss the effect of PEDs or that I said they have NO effect at all, which is patently false. That's called a strawman fallacy. Now you're calling me a child, which is frankly bizarre, and totally irrelevant to the point. That's called an argument ad hominem. And when people start stooping to that low, rather than engage actual points, I know they've got no ability to engage in adult conversation. So I will be ignoring any further responses from you in this thread. Good day.

[Bullrider]

Ryan became Superman, faster and stronger than everyone. Poor Haney, he couldn't even see Ryan's punches.
Make adjustments ? Nah, Ryan is Superman, no adjustment could avoid super speed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWTbLZCR84k

He became Popeye the sailor man doe. The spinach he ate made him whup Haney's ass.

[IronDanHamza]

Wow, you're really in your feelings about this. I've been in the fight game for more than 20 years. You simply aren't reading, so there's no more point continuing this. If Haney continues his career and fights guys who are his size, you will find out why technical flaws and strategic flaws are relevant.

To play your ****** game, when have I ever dismissed the role it plays? Go back and reread the first two sentences of post you quoted. No wonder you have so much experience with PEDs. Apparently your ego needs the help. I said Haney would still get hit with his flaws. Which is true. The effect of the punches may have been enhanced to some effect (how much, as I've said, I'm willing to take your word for).

But it's literally fact that Ryan only has a left hook. It's fact that Haney doesn't keep his right glove up. It's fact that he made no adjustments. It's fact that Ryan is the first opponent he's ever had that was close to his own size. None of that has anything to do with gear. You have been insisting this whole time that I've been saying PEDs play no role, which is categorically false. I'm on record numerous times conceding that point. YOU are the one acting like whether or not an opponent is on gear is the ONLY relevant consideration (you said we don't know ANYTHING about how the fight would go without gear), and that suggests consequently that you think things like boxing skill, technique, technical flaws, strategy, ability to make adjustments, mean NOTHING AT ALL in the face of a picogram finding of Ostarine. That's why I know YDKSAB. Just beyond absurd. Why even have fights at all if the presence of PEDs is the only thing that mattered? By your measure, Robert Helenius must have won that fight with AJ, because he was on PEDs.

What you've done here is textbook logical fallacies. You insist on trying to force me into the most extreme position, saying I completely dismiss the effect of PEDs or that I said they have NO effect at all, which is patently false. That's called a strawman fallacy. Now you're calling me a child, which is frankly bizarre, and totally irrelevant to the point. That's called an argument ad hominem. And when people start stooping to that low, rather than engage actual points, I know they've got no ability to engage in adult conversation. So I will be ignoring any further responses from you in this thread. Good day.

You literally dismissed it you dumb cunt.

You said; "But Ryan wasn't landing because he was stronger and faster, he was landing because he was timing Haney and could reach the openings" so you are quite literally dismissing his PED use playing a role in landing punches when it absolutely DOES. It isn't the only reason, obviously. This is fighting, it never is, but it plays a huge role if an athlete is assisted and we don't know if he could do the same without assistance. So again you quite literally, in plain English, said that Ryan wasn't landing due to his PED use. That is by definition dismissing it.

I never said it's the only thing that matters. I said it matters, you said it doesn't. I said we don't know what would happen if Ryan fought Haney without assistance which is a literal fact, we don't. All we know if how he would perform with them. Without them, we have no idea what he can and can't do. He's be the same fighter technically, but not physically, meaning a different fighter altogether. I don't know how this extremely basic concept is difficult to understand. I've never said anything about the technical aspect of the fight and it's role, all I've pointed out to you retards is without PED's, we don't know how the fight would go and again that is a fact.

Mate again just shut the fuck up. You're a clown who has no idea what he's talking about. You're not this astute boxing brain you think you are.

[billeau2]

Iron Dan's point is really simple to understand. We cannot know for certain the difference the peds made... We can make an educated guess at best. To say that it is a fact Ryan was not assisted by the Osterin is simply not true. We simply have no way of knowing...

[Brother Mouzone]

It’s actually mind numbing at this point with you people, how can you not understand the gigantic difference an assisted athlete has in comparison to an unassisted one?

Because I assume they are all on peds , some get caught some don't ........

[IronDanHamza]

Because I assume they are all on peds , some get caught some don't ........

Right but we don't know do we, until we know, like we do with Garcia.

[IronDanHamza]

Iron Dan's point is really simple to understand. We cannot know for certain the difference the peds made... We can make an educated guess at best. To say that it is a fact Ryan was not assisted by the Osterin is simply not true. We simply have no way of knowing...

It's actually a fact that he was assisted. That isn't debatable.

What we don't know is how he would compete unassisted, vs Haney.

Could he still win? Sure. It might go exactly the same way. But we don't know, is the point.

[Brother Mouzone]

Right but we don't know do we, until we know, like we do with Garcia.

I get your point , even then I don't think( again my opinion )that this fight would have played out any different if they were both "clean" . BTW I had picked Haney to win the fight , I was actually shocked Garcia whooped him like he did Ryan's speed and power is a nightmare for Haney peds or no peds .

[IronDanHamza]

I get your point , even then I don't think( again my opinion )that this fight would have played out any different if they were both "clean" . BTW I had picked Haney to win the fight , I was actually shocked Garcia whooped him like he did Ryan's speed and power is a nightmare for Haney peds or no peds .

Ok but again you can't make a statement like this when all we know is what he can do with the assistance of PEDs.
We have no clue if it would be a nightmare "peds or no peds".

I mean, it could be, like I said. But we don't know and won't know until they fight again when he's not unassisted.

The fight could play out exactly the same, sure. That is possible. Impossible to know at this point.