Comments Thread For: What's next for Devin Haney?

[crimsonfalcon07]

PEDs make you stronger and faster, so the fact he dropped his isn’t relevant because we don’t know if he even lands those punches without PEDs, let alone with that kind of ferocity.

I'll take your word for whether or not Ostarine, in the amount present, would make that big of a difference. I've fought guys on PEDs before, and they definitely landed harder and had better cardio so I can believe it would have some effect.

But Ryan wasn't landing because he was stronger and faster, he was landing because he was timing Haney and could reach the openings. Most of the windows he was landing in were close to seconds wide. Haney's gotten away with it before because he's been way longer than his opponents. He's had at least a 3 inch reach advantage for most if not all of his previous bouts. So people don't throw the counter because they know they can't reach. They have to close the gap, and that adds a lot of time to the counter. Ryan could, because he's almost the same size as Devin, and Haney had not seen that yet in his career. Boots would have a reach advantage on Haney, and more skill and power. None of the issues I mentioned go away regardless of whether his opponents are stronger and faster. Timing beats speed, and bad defensive habits and inability to adjust are fatal flaws as soon as you start fighting more even contests.

[IronDanHamza]

I'll take your word for whether or not Ostarine, in the amount present, would make that big of a difference. I've fought guys on PEDs before, and they definitely landed harder and had better cardio so I can believe it would have some effect.

But Ryan wasn't landing because he was stronger and faster, he was landing because he was timing Haney and could reach the openings. Most of the windows he was landing in were close to seconds wide. Haney's gotten away with it before because he's been way longer than his opponents. He's had at least a 3 inch reach advantage for most if not all of his previous bouts. So people don't throw the counter because they know they can't reach. They have to close the gap, and that adds a lot of time to the counter. Ryan could, because he's almost the same size as Devin, and Haney had not seen that yet in his career. Boots would have a reach advantage on Haney, and more skill and power. None of the issues I mentioned go away regardless of whether his opponents are stronger and faster. Timing beats speed, and bad defensive habits and inability to adjust are fatal flaws as soon as you start fighting more even contests.

How can you say that? If he’s assisted, which we know categorically he was, then he’s stronger, faster, sharper, and everything else in between. Meaning that his ability to land punches, and the effect those punches have, is vastly increased.

To say they played no part is as close to illogical as it gets.

[IronDanHamza]

You support anyone that looks like you huh? Bologna cheeks gkt sparked..lol

I’m not black, if that’s what you’re suggesting.

I am logical, though. Which seems mostly void on here. Especially this topic.

[Brother Mouzone]

IDK , It's hard to recover from that kind of beating and be the same fighter you were prior .........

[BustedKnuckles]

How can you say “PED’s or not”

I don’t think many of you quite understand what PEDs do and why they are banned.

You cant say “PEDs or not” because all we know is what happened when Garcia fought him whilst on PEDs. We have no idea about the “or not”

I know what PEDs do, what real gear does, and what ostarine does. And ostarine isnt real gear.

It's like calling beer vodka, or a honda civic a lamboghini. Yes, these pairs do the same basic things, but to completely different levels.

PEDs do enhance performance, and perhaps ostarine gave Garcia an edge. But let's put a number on it and say 10%, whereas real gear might be 30-50%.

10% less Garcia still beats Haney bad, because ostarine didn't make Haney unable to avoid the power.

But, yes, we'll never know for sure, just like we'll never know lots of matchups for sure, like when a young lion beats a faded champ, or when the champ beats a guy coming off a loss, or or...

[IronDanHamza]

I know what PEDs do, what real gear does, and what ostarine does. And ostarine isnt real gear.

It's like calling beer vodka, or a honda civic a lamboghini. Yes, these pairs do the same basic things, but to completely different levels.

PEDs do enhance performance, and perhaps ostarine gave Garcia an edge. But let's put a number on it and say 10%, whereas real gear might be 30-50%.

10% less Garcia still beats Haney bad, because ostarine didn't make Haney unable to avoid the power.

But, yes, we'll never know for sure, just like we'll never know lots of matchups for sure, like when a young lion beats a faded champ, or when the champ beats a guy coming off a loss, or or...

Ostarine is a not real gear no but it’s a SARM and a PED. So it’s the same difference.

it doesn’t make a difference what edge he gave him. It still gave him an edge that he wouldn’t have without it. Thus the point.

[JonDP]

Racism is so real ain't it buddy?

I'm Black, btw, and if you've read my comments, while I think Haney is a decent boxer, I don't rate him that high.

You're a loser, Internet coward, btw

Spoken like a true biased moron. Are you sitting there implying Haney didn’t take a beating and peoples’ opinion didn’t change? A lot?
The keyword here is bias. I don’t care about race

[JonDP]

How can you say “PED’s or not”

I don’t think many of you quite understand what PEDs do and why they are banned.

You cant say “PEDs or not” because all we know is what happened when Garcia fought him whilst on PEDs. We have no idea about the “or not”

Sounds like you don’t know. Do PED’s give boxers accuracy and boxing IQ? If that was the case then we would be living in the era of the super-human boxer. Haney got caught, plain and simple. He had a s#itty mind set of ‘trying to show his level’ or whatever bulls#it his poppa had him believing in. That’s why he’s so destroyed mentally right now.

[IronDanHamza]

Sounds like you don’t know. Do PED’s give boxers accuracy and boxing IQ? If that was the case then we would be living in the era of the super-human boxer. Haney got caught, plain and simple. He had a s#itty mind set of ‘trying to show his level’ or whatever bulls#it his poppa had him believing in. That’s why he’s so destroyed mentally right now.

PEDs are what I’m involved in for a living mate, I likely know more than this entire board combined about this topic.

No PEDs don’t increase IQ, but yes it can definitely aid toward accuracy, amongst EVERY OTHER component of physicality.

It’s actually mind numbing at this point with you people, how can you not understand the gigantic difference an assisted athlete has in comparison to an unassisted one? Everything they can do physically is increased ten fold.

We have NO IDEA what Ryan Garcia is capable of doing to Devin Haney without assistance.

[White-Bob]

I’m not black, if that’s what you’re suggesting.

I am logical, though. Which seems mostly void on here. Especially this topic.

Fair. Are you ga.y? seriously inquiring..and honestly..is that appropriate to ask?
as for Haney he is just a racist sh.it head..a one trick pony that got exposed..