Gervonta Davis vs Frank Martin TANKED at the PPV Box Office - Expect the Loma fight to happen.

[PRchamp]

You sure? If I am correct:

Canelo/ Mungui

Tszyu/Fondura

Tank/Martin

Rolly/Pitbull

Figueroa/ Magdalena

3 cards. Rolly/Pit, Figueroa/Magdalena and Tsyzu/fondura were all in the same card. Look at the fights you posted…. 6 months and they only made these fights. With the roster they have it’s got to be better but there’s no more $$$

[tomhawq]

I never understand why people are still expecting huge numbers like close to one million.
I remember Richard Schaefer always projecting huge PPV numbers on big fights, especially the ones he promote. He gets disappointed when PPV numbers are far from his projection. He believed HBO was cheating and hiding real numbers. But that's just one of the reasons why he packed his bags and took along all GBP fighters with him and moved to Showtime.
So then his plan was to put most of his fights on PPV. And since he had close ties with Espinoza and Haymon, he felt he's on the driver's seat and now had full access to the PPV numbers. To his dismay his initial PPV shows didn't show huge numbers. In other words, they all tanked. He eventually did most of his fights on regular subscriptions. The Maidana vs Broner was supposed to be on PPV. Likewise the Garcia vs Matthysse was supposed to be on a separate card, but Garcia wanted $2 million and the fight didn't almost get made. So then they decided to put it on Mayweather's undercard. In the end, Espinoza finally made an announcement that Showtime would no longer be releasing PPV numbers unless they're very significant. And that was many years ago. These are just samples of stories boxing writers should have documented.

I'm sure there were (cordial) clashes between Schaefer and Haymon who would rather do fights on free TV. Uncle Al knew the numbers. They're not as good as Schaefer thought they were. Only reason why Haymon started doing them on PPV is because fighters are no longer content in getting $1 mil purses, though $1mil looked huge at that time. They wanted huge guarantees which Showtime cannot afford. Usual compromise is to put the fight on PPV to pacify stubborn promoters/fighters. Altough Espinoza and Haymon knew very well it won't provide what these fighters expected to earn.

[The Big Dunn]

Anyone who thinks Tank/Martin did 800K buys is outside of their mind. It's likely 150K - 200K. Even then let's be honest, some of that as the Benavidez undercard. Without a good undercard this fight flops miserably. Same with attendance, Benavidez has his hometown Arizona fans right across the state line.

Why are you so willing to believe an uncorroborated number from Glaser, who’s been proven wrong on multiple occasions and who appears to have a huge bias?

Why would the 800k number be outside of someone’s mind? The live gate was just short of 14k paid. Tank v Ryan did 1.2 million ppvs.

I’ m sure David brought fans but if you watched the fight, the crowd would as incredibly loud when Tank won, not so much for David.

It’s like you don’t want Tank to be successful. He’s selling 2-3x as many tickets as all the big names around his division. Yet you give him no credit for sales.

[The Big Dunn]

3 cards. Rolly/Pit, Figueroa/Magdalena and Tsyzu/fondura were all in the same card. Look at the fights you posted…. 6 months and they only made these fights. With the roster they have it’s got to be better but there’s no more $$$

I can’t disagree with you that they should have put on far more fights.

[GhostofDempsey]

Why are you so willing to believe an uncorroborated number from Glaser, who’s been proven wrong on multiple occasions and who appears to have a huge bias?

Why would the 800k number be outside of someone’s mind? The live gate was just short of 14k paid. Tank v Ryan did 1.2 million ppvs.

I’ m sure David brought fans but if you watched the fight, the crowd would as incredibly loud when Tank won, not so much for David.

It’s like you don’t want Tank to be successful. He’s selling 2-3x as many tickets as all the big names around his division. Yet you give him no credit for sales.

He gets credit where it’s deserved. But Vegas is nearly home turf for David. The crowd cheered for Tank because David is aligned with him. Why would you believe the fight did anywhere close to 800K buys? No one ever heard of Martin prior to this fight. There aren’t any credible sources claiming anywhere near 800K. Tank’s own people would be the first to brag and report the numbers if they were good. Crickets this far.

[The Big Dunn]

He gets credit where it’s deserved. But Vegas is nearly home turf for David. The crowd cheered for Tank because David is aligned with him. Why would you believe the fight did anywhere close to 800K buys? No one ever heard of Martin prior to this fight. There aren’t any credible sources claiming anywhere near 800K. Tank’s own people would be the first to brag and report the numbers if they were good. Crickets this far.

The crowd noise didnā€™t reflect that at all. Tank brought fans there for sure. Not saying David didnā€™t.

The source reporting it is less biased and
more credible than Glaser. I didnā€™t say I did if you read my post. I said if true, that would be incredible

I just donā€™t understand why you trust a source that has proven to lack credibility. Granted every source has some issues but Glaser.

Neither David nor Tank fought a huge name so they carried the live gate and ppv sales.

They havenā€™t bragged about the Ryan fight at all and all sources suggest that sold 1.2 mil.

[Bullrider]

I'm sure there were (cordial) clashes between Schaefer and Haymon who would rather do fights on free TV. Uncle Al knew the numbers. They're not as good as Schaefer thought they were. Only reason why Haymon started doing them on PPV is because fighters are no longer content in getting $1 mil purses, though $1mil looked huge at that time. They wanted huge guarantees which Showtime cannot afford. Usual compromise is to put the fight on PPV to pacify stubborn promoters/fighters. Altough Espinoza and Haymon knew very well it won't provide what these fighters expected to earn.

I for one don't take these PPV numbers seriously. They are severely exaggerated. You can search the net and you'll find tons of discussions about people in the business fabricating PPV numbers. Like I mentioned, Espinoza made a decision exactly a decade ago not to release any more numbers. And that was when cable TV was still very much around. Yet still, questionable unreliable sources were and are too stubborn and kept on manufacturing their spins on PPV numbers. There is no real way to authenticate their veracity.

Espinoza Explains Showtime's Position on PPV Numbers

https://www.boxingscene.com/espinoza-explains-showtimes-position-on-ppv-numbers--79980

[GhostofDempsey]

The crowd noise didnāt reflect that at all. Tank brought fans there for sure. Not saying David didnāt.

The source reporting it is less biased and
more credible than Glaser. I didnāt say I did if you read my post. I said if true, that would be incredible

I just donāt understand why you trust a source that has proven to lack credibility. Granted every source has some issues but Glaser.

Neither David nor Tank fought a huge name so they carried the live gate and ppv sales.

They havenāt bragged about the Ryan fight at all and all sources suggest that sold 1.2 mil.

Tank never fought in Vegas until Ryan and David. He needed their fan base. The PPV flopped.

[MONGOOSE66]

Its pathetic now a days. A boxer who’s 30 years old and is undefeated fights MULTIPLE & sequential NOBODIES and they think its a PPV fight?. I cant figure out how tanks handlers make money off him with his poor numbers while big name promotors cant make a dime off of Crawford?

[brettWall]

All these ppv numbers are just guesses.