Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Is Deontay Wilder Destined for Hall of Fame?

[Blackstarr]

You are aware that fury had been lineal for years right? That he dethroned a hall of famer for his first world title, beat wilder who was undefeated and had 10 defenses? Went undefeated over a career that spanned 14 yrs until the other week? Yet, he doesn’t belong in a sentence with Barrera? Stop the nonsense. And for the record, Barrera is one of my favorite fighters ever.
I stand by my statement that Tyszu win aside, wilder has a comparable level of wins to Hatton and Hamed. You can disagree but end of the day, Hatton and Hamed are in, and wilder will probably get in too regardless.

Fury not belonging in the same sentence as a Barrera is an opinion and if anyone wants to argue otherwise I can accept that. My opinion is based on Fury’s doping allegations and suspension, his thin resume and the fact that his Wilder victory looks progressively worse with time and a red herring. He’s no doubt a great fighter though, so if you want to put him on the same pedestal as a top-50 p4p boxer ever then sure whatever.

However your argument about the likes of Molina, Duhaupas, Szipilka, Washington, Brezeale, Ortiz, Molina and Arreola being comparable to the raft of champs/ex-champs/Ring-rated fighters that Hatton and Hamed defeated during their title runs, while they were lineal champs and on p4p top 3 lists in their day, is downright insane and shows you have no business being taken seriously. Have a nice day.

[gamesworn]

In the top 10 of what? They were all ranked by the wbc when he fought them. Stiverne, Molina, szpilka, breazelle, and Ortiz, all in the wbc top 10 Duhaupas and Arreola were both ranked in the top 15. Rankings go up to 15, you only said “hamed beat ranked fighters”. As I proved above, so did wilder. Now you want to move the goal post? If you’re going to argue how Hamed was beating multiple ranked fighters yet claim wilders title matches weren’t against ranked opponents, you’re being selective at what you’re looking at and not being consistent.

None of what I’m stating has been debunked because you’re trying to argue that 2 guys should be on the hall of fame when their careers are extremely similar to wilders in many ways. The only difference is that you’re biased towards some and biased against the other.
I on the other hand have been consistent, none of them belong in the hall of fame.

So run with your ranking arguments but it terms of actual quality if fighter, Hatton has 1 win against an elite fighter and was dominated by the only other two top names he faced and Hamed has 0 wins against an elite fighter. The only thing they have is popularity because British fans are a gullible group. Same exact reason why AJ is popular.

Obviously i'm talking about TOP 10 in the Heavyweight division. Not TOP 10 by specific Alphabet Title (Who even use their list lol). Alphabet Title List is for promotional only. They push specific fighter to get mandatory etc.

Hatton win against Tszyu is one of the main reason he got in HOF. He won the Lineal Title (Again Wilder did not). On top of that he was Fan Favorite which helped push him into HOF status. Wilder didn't have that kind of win nor the amount of top 10 ranked fighters (Division) Hamed dominated during his career.

Wilder
No wins against HOF
Has never been the man in HW division
Defeated only Two Ranked Top 10 HW fighters
Losses were so bad. Outboxed and Knocked Out.
Losses against only Ranked HW fighter

Hatton and Hamed Careers are better than Wilder.

Time to admit you're wrong and stop pushing goal post.

[Jab jab boom]

Fury not belonging in the same sentence as a Barrera is an opinion and if anyone wants to argue otherwise I can accept that. My opinion is based on Fury’s doping allegations and suspension, his thin resume and the fact that his Wilder victory looks progressively worse with time and a red herring. He’s no doubt a great fighter though, so if you want to put him on the same pedestal as a top-50 p4p boxer ever then sure whatever.

However your argument about the likes of Molina, Duhaupas, Szipilka, Washington, Brezeale, Ortiz, Molina and Arreola being comparable to the raft of champs/ex-champs/Ring-rated fighters that Hatton and Hamed defeated during their title runs, while they were lineal champs and on p4p top 3 lists in their day, is downright insane and shows you have no business being taken seriously. Have a nice day.

In what universe were Hatton and Hamed ever a top 3 fighter in the world? You’re really putting them on a ridiculous pedestal to boost your argument. 1 elite win between the two, that’s it.

[Jab jab boom]

Obviously i'm talking about TOP 10 in the Heavyweight division. Not TOP 10 by specific Alphabet Title (Who even use their list lol). Alphabet Title List is for promotional only. They push specific fighter to get mandatory etc.

Hatton win against Tszyu is one of the main reason he got in HOF. He won the Lineal Title (Again Wilder did not). On top of that he was Fan Favorite which helped push him into HOF status. Wilder didn't have that kind of win nor the amount of top 10 ranked fighters (Division) Hamed dominated during his career.

Wilder
No wins against HOF
Has never been the man in HW division
Defeated only Two Ranked Top 10 HW fighters
Losses were so bad. Outboxed and Knocked Out.
Losses against only Ranked HW fighter

Hatton and Hamed Careers are better than Wilder.

Time to admit you're wrong and stop pushing goal post.

1. Ok so you’re being arbitrary about what’s considered a ranked fighter because I proved you wrong.

2. I’m fine with running down Wilders resume but please tell me what is Hamed’s best win? He faced 1 elite opponent ever and we know how that ended up. Not to mention he ducked Marquez and morales. Surely that wouldn’t have turned out well for him either.

3. Aside from Tyszu, what is Hatton’s best win? 1 big win shouldn’t be what gets you into the hall because like I said before, by that logic I can make a stronger argument for Fernando Vargas and Ricardo mayorga.

4. Yes , just like Gatti, popularity helped them to get into the hall of fame. I’m more old school though, I don’t think developing a big following amongst a bunch of gullible Brits should be a factor. Their best wins overall are good but not great and the hall of fame should be reserved for greatness. Not above average careers with massive followings.

[Sid-Knee]

None of them belong in the hall of fame. Ya fkn creepy weirdo stalker. Your justifications as to why only prove you’re a full on ret@rd. There is no justification for Hamed or Hatton. Hamed has 0 wins against any elite fighter and Hatton has one against a past prime who was in the final fight of his career. You’re the same guy who tried to argue the greatness of AJ while arguing against the greatness of Ali and Foreman. You can’t be taken seriously.

Like I said, it’s time for you to focus on another sport like cricket, as England is no longer relevant in boxing. What do you have left? 2 belt holders that no one has heard of in shyt divisions? Lmaooooo

No one would be able to get into the hall if only beating ATG's was the way to enter. No one starts out as an ATG. They have to beat a lot of good and very good world class fighters to prove themselves. Why, how would they do it otherwise? Give me a logical explanation.

Wilder isn't far off Hamed's resume? You see, this is why you're completely deranged. You only need to look at the opponents Hamed beat and who they beat to justify themselves. But when you look at Wilder and who he's beaten, and who they've beaten, you see nothing but garbage.

Naz has...

Bungu
Kelley
Hardy
Johnson
McCullough
Robinson
Soto
Vasquez
Belcastro
Medina
Ingle
Badillo

All have proven themselves world class with most becoming world champion. Wilder has nowhere near to this. The fact you're too ret5rded to realise this is disturbing. But i know how extreme you are. You've proven to me far too many times now. You've even got your own personal corner in the basement where i keep you i own you that much. To claim none of these are elite fighters is preposterous. Who today in the US has any elite wins then? Who is more proven than 5 time champion Medina? Who has made numerous defences like Bungu and Johnson?

Do you think Randy Turpin is better than any fighter who can't match his win over "Sugar" Ray Robinson? Do you have him higher than the likes of Ali, Foreman, Hagler, Mayweather etc etc?

As for the Senchenko/Hatton comment.... Hatton was not only shot, but was out of the ring for 3 years you moron. They have no relation with Wilder. The guy who lost to everyone when he stepped up after ducking for years due to being a coward.

Which Americans do you have today? List all your top fighters. Ones that are supposedly not finished the way you claim Fury and AJ are?

I look forward to your deflections. I really do. I'll get your crusty blanket out shall i...

[Sid-Knee]

Ohh the hypocrisy. So fury doesn’t belong in the same sentence as Barrera (2 losses to junior jones) and is a borderline hall of famer, yet you argue that Hatton and Hamed belong in the hof?? Please stop.

Wilder got stopped by someone older than him (at 38 yrs old) and so did Hatton against Senchenko at just 34 yrs old. Hatton has 1 meaningful win against someone in his last fight of his career where he was given clear home field advantage by the ref of we’re being honest. If we’re also being honest he deserved to lose to collazo.

I don’t think any of them belong in the hall of fame and if they are, I could make a stronger argument as to why Fernando Vargas and Ricardo mayorga could be on the hall of fame because they both had better wins than hamed, Hatton and wilder combined. Stop being a hypocrite and stretching reality to fit your narrative.

Could you please tell me who Mayorga and Vargas beat that is better than Hamed and Hatton's combined resume without contradictions?

[Sid-Knee]

In the top 10 of what? They were all ranked by the wbc when he fought them. Stiverne, Molina, szpilka, breazelle, and Ortiz, all in the wbc top 10 Duhaupas and Arreola were both ranked in the top 15. Rankings go up to 15, you only said “hamed beat ranked fighters”. As I proved above, so did wilder. Now you want to move the goal post? If you’re going to argue how Hamed was beating multiple ranked fighters yet claim wilders title matches weren’t against ranked opponents, you’re being selective at what you’re looking at and not being consistent.

None of what I’m stating has been debunked because you’re trying to argue that 2 guys should be on the hall of fame when their careers are extremely similar to wilders in many ways. The only difference is that you’re biased towards some and biased against the other.
I on the other hand have been consistent, none of them belong in the hall of fame.

So run with your ranking arguments but it terms of actual quality if fighter, Hatton has 1 win against an elite fighter and was dominated by the only other two top names he faced and Hamed has 0 wins against an elite fighter. The only thing they have is popularity because British fans are a gullible group. Same exact reason why AJ is popular.

Ranked, as in, fighters in the top 10 of their division. Not f3cking belt rankings. But you've already dipped into desperation after getting clowned. But you're getting the worse from me as you know. It's coming. Deflect and run, or make a fool of yourself as per usual. Not many options for you really.

Daniel Alicea was the mandatory for the WBO title. He was the number one in the rankings. But was he world class or even fringe world level? Hell no. Who cares about title rankings.

I guess Americans are gullible considering Naz sold when in the US. Duh. Just imagine thinking buying tickets to one of the best fighters in the world P4P meant you were gullible. You're far too st5pid for words. You're legitimately deranged. I mean that. Not one fighter in the US is close to what Naz was. Not one. But they sell tickets. F3ck me...

[Sid-Knee]

In what universe were Hatton and Hamed ever a top 3 fighter in the world? You’re really putting them on a ridiculous pedestal to boost your argument. 1 elite win between the two, that’s it.

The universe where those from your country put them on the P4P list. It wasn't where fans put them. It was those who do the P4P lists. The very same people you'll support when it comes to justifying one of your deranged arguments.

[Jab jab boom]

Could you please tell me who Mayorga and Vargas beat that is better than Hamed and Hatton's combined resume without contradictions?

Why are you replying 4 times you fkn obsessive phag? This is the only one I’m reading because it wasn’t a long ass whiney novel. Vargas beating Campas, Quartey and Winky Wright are 3 better wins than any 3 wins hamed or Hatton have. Vargas losing effort vs Trinidad is actually better than nearly every win Hamed and Hatton have combined excluding the Tyszu win.
Mayorga beating undefeated champions 6 heads Lewis and Vernon Forrest 2x in 3 consecutive fights are 3 better better wins than they have also, plus he also beat Vargas.

[Willow The Wisp]

Nobody gets credit for almost winning. Once he started fighting good competition, he started losing. The 10 title defenses and KO % had everything to do with the low quality of opposition he was facing. Does he really get in being 4th best in a weak era?

For those here at the hall this weekend; the Mecca of Boxing, he is the 3rd best of one of the best generations in heavyweight history. Approximately the same level of competition as his peers, longer at the top than most, more title defenses than any.

Wilder is a shoe-in for the greatest achievement that a boxer can earn. in that you can trust.

You, and many others who frequent this board, could stand to educate yourself first and form strong opinions second.