Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Is Deontay Wilder Destined for Hall of Fame?

[Sid-Knee]

Going to have a tough time explaining why Gatti, Hamed and Hatton are in the hall of fame then.

I've done it repeatedly with Hamed now. You're just too ****** and biased to keep that information in. Would you like me to do it again for you? I can do Hatton too. Gatti, no. The other two, very much so.

Could you do it with Frazier, Norton, Foster and Moorer?

[BoxOfficer]

Wilder is not even number 4.

Parker is CLEARLY ahead of him as at today.

[The D3vil]

Both Klitschkos on their worst day would beat Wilder. Wilder did have the chance to fight Vlad, and ducked it. It's great that you like Wilder, but once again, his KO% had everything to do with who he was fighting. Wow! Look at all the cans he knocked out.

Do y'all even know what words mean?

Wilder became champ in Jan 2015 & Klitschko lost to Fury in Sept. of 2015

So apparently not fighting Klitschko in the 8 months between winning the title and him losing is him "ducking" Klitschko, now?

You can’t be serious..

Firstly Ibragimov (ex champ and amateur standout) and Haye (two-weight champ and knockout artist) are a lot better than anyone Wilder has beaten, and I’d put money on a prime Haye beating Wilder any day of the week. The fact the Kiltschkos beat them easily speaks to their greatness, rather than the weakness of the division relative to what we have now.

You all love mentioning Wilder getting “aged out”, ignoring that he looked totally fine against Helenius, and that his highlight career win was against someone older than he is now. Add to that he most recently got destroyed by an even older 41 year old, and that argument looks weak asf.

And it’s damn crazy not to put his KO% into context. Every world class fighter with decent power starts with a near 100% KO ratio at the start of their careers, only for it to drop off as they reach world level. Problem with Wilder is his level of comp has remained at journeyman status even as he climbed to world level, thanks to elite level match-making. Beating just 2 ring-rated fighters in his entire career tells you that.

Adding all this up, I can’t possibly see how he can be considered HoF.

He literally fought 2 mins against Helenius. Ridiculous to take that as indicative of anything.

I fully disagree..there’s a reason Finkel kept Wilder well away from Klitschko, saying he was a ‘baby’ despite being a WBC champ with over 30 fights at the time. Wilder wouldn’t have even seen the 12th round against Klitschko, let’s be honest. Have a read in case you forgot the shameless avoidance, in contrast to Fury who jumped straight at the opportunity:
https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-n...-finkel--86714

I do value amateur experience yes, and Ortiz won nothing of note, in contrast to Sultan who was an Olympic silver medalist and medalled at the World Champs too. He was also a slick southpaw with a powerful left hand who had an iron chin and was never stopped (or dropped, to my recollection), so yes I’d rate him as a good HW and better than anyone on Wilder’s record.

Getting beat down by Fury doesn’t count against Wilder? LMAO in what universe? It’s funny how you want to talk “context” about Wilder’s losses, but decide to completely ignore context when talking about his manufactured win record.

And nowhere did I say Wilder sucks..learn to read. The debate is about whether he’s a HoF, and the answer to that is no.

Klitschko lost the belt 8 months after Wilder won his.

How does that equal ducking?

Now, if they were both champions in the same division for years & didn't fight, I'd understand that, but it was only 8 months.

actually he flew to U.K and didn't make Russia. but that ain't my point. pbc was selling gact that Wilder wanted fight everyone and say that him planning to face povetkin shows it. but he had no choice. it was that or drop belt. that my point. and povetkin yes had traces of fight dope in him. luckily for Wilder because povetkin probably would wiped him out lol

Now, it's "if" this and "if" that.

If my "if" was a spliff, we'd be all fxcked up.

Wilder agreed to fight Povetkin, flew to fight him and it was POVETKIN who tested positive, which is nobody's fault but his.

Don't try to turn this around on the innocent party, here.

[Poopdick]

Do y'all even know what words mean?

Wilder became champ in Jan 2015 & Klitschko lost to Fury in Sept. of 2015

So apparently not fighting Klitschko in the 8 months between winning the title and him losing is him "ducking" Klitschko, now?



He literally fought 2 mins against Helenius. Ridiculous to take that as indicative of anything.



Klitschko lost the belt 8 months after Wilder won his.

How does that equal ducking?

Now, if they were both champions in the same division for years & didn't fight, I'd understand that, but it was only 8 months.



Now, it's "if" this and "if" that.

If my "if" was a spliff, we'd be all fxcked up.

Wilder agreed to fight Povetkin, flew to fight him and it was POVETKIN who tested positive, which is nobody's fault but his.

Don't try to turn this around on the innocent party, here.

again that ain't my point lol. nice rhyme though?

[gamesworn]

No. Other fighters who had similar career, exciting and dominant against weak oppositions, like Hamed for example. Hamed actually knocked out ranked fighters during his career, not just once or twice. Wilder on the other hand is the definition can crusher. Very few good wins against good oppoenent. Losses were all so bad, he was outboxed and knocked out

[Jab jab boom]

I've done it repeatedly with Hamed now. You're just too ****** and biased to keep that information in. Would you like me to do it again for you? I can do Hatton too. Gatti, no. The other two, very much so.

Could you do it with Frazier, Norton, Foster and Moorer?

None of them belong in the hall of fame. Ya fkn creepy weirdo stalker. Your justifications as to why only prove you’re a full on ret@rd. There is no justification for Hamed or Hatton. Hamed has 0 wins against any elite fighter and Hatton has one against a past prime who was in the final fight of his career. You’re the same guy who tried to argue the greatness of AJ while arguing against the greatness of Ali and Foreman. You can’t be taken seriously.

Like I said, it’s time for you to focus on another sport like cricket, as England is no longer relevant in boxing. What do you have left? 2 belt holders that no one has heard of in shyt divisions? Lmaooooo

[gamesworn]

None of them belong in the hall of fame. Ya fkn creepy weirdo stalker. Your justifications as to why only prove you’re a full on ret@rd. There is no justification for Hamed or Hatton. Hamed has 0 wins against any elite fighter and Hatton has one against a past prime who was in the final fight of his career. You’re the same guy who tried to argue the greatness of AJ while arguing against the greatness of Ali and Foreman. You can’t be taken seriously.

Like I said, it’s time for you to focus on another sport like cricket, as England is no longer relevant in boxing. What do you have left? 2 belt holders that no one has heard of in shyt divisions? Lmaooooo

You don't have to defeat HOF caliber fighters to be in the Hall of Fame. Hamed and Hatton both got in HOF mainly because of popularity and add to that they actually defeated decent amount of good ranked fighters in their career. Losses were against great fighters.

Hamed no doubt is HOF, he was very dominant and knocking out some really good fighers during his time. He was also ranked really high in P2P list. I still do think Hatton is only borderline HOF, so i have no problem with him getting in.

Wilder is no way he deserves HOF, he knocked out mostly unknown fighters and badly performed against the top 5 opposition he fought. See the difference here? Hamed and Hatton big losses were against All time great fighters, Barrera, Pacquiao and Mayweather. Wilder losses were against top ranked fighter in his division.

[Blackstarr]

None of them belong in the hall of fame. Ya fkn creepy weirdo stalker. Your justifications as to why only prove you’re a full on ret@rd. There is no justification for Hamed or Hatton. Hamed has 0 wins against any elite fighter and Hatton has one against a past prime who was in the final fight of his career. You’re the same guy who tried to argue the greatness of AJ while arguing against the greatness of Ali and Foreman. You can’t be taken seriously.

Like I said, it’s time for you to focus on another sport like cricket, as England is no longer relevant in boxing. What do you have left? 2 belt holders that no one has heard of in shyt divisions? Lmaooooo

Come now, you’re better than this lol. Hamed was featherweight champ for 6 years, during which he had 3 title wins against Johnson, Soto and Bungu and 15 consecutive title defences. He also beat all available comers including a number of ex-champs like Kelley, McCullough, Vazquez and Medina, beating at least 9 Ring Top-10 fighters. His only loss was against an ATG, and even then he had to wait 13 years to be in the HoF.

You say Hatton beat a past prime fighter, yet Tszyu was on a 13 fight win streak, was the Ring’s comeback fighter of the year in 2004 before Hatton fought him months later in 2005, and was significant favourite with no plans of retiring until Hatton beat him. Add to that, Hatton also beat multiple champs across two divisions, was ranked as high as P4P no.3 and only lost to two ATGs before his first retirement, yet also waited over 10 years for HoF induction.

Wilder was never lineal champ (4th ranked HW in his era at best), beat just TWO Ring-rated fighters, and lost BADLY to non-HoF fighters, never mind ATGs. You seriously think his record is comparable to the other two, and that he deserves HoF entry?

[Jab jab boom]

You don't have to defeat HOF caliber fighters to be in the Hall of Fame. Hamed and Hatton both got in HOF mainly because of popularity and add to that they actually defeated decent amount of good ranked fighters in their career. Losses were against great fighters.

Hamed no doubt is HOF, he was very dominant and knocking out some really good fighers during his time. He was also ranked really high in P2P list. I still do think Hatton is only borderline HOF, so i have no problem with him getting in.

Wilder is no way he deserves HOF, he knocked out mostly unknown fighters and badly performed against the top 5 opposition he fought. See the difference here? Hamed and Hatton big losses were against All time great fighters, Barrera, Pacquiao and Mayweather. Wilder losses were against top ranked fighter in his division.

Your arguments against wilder are the same arguments I can make against Hamed and Hatton. Wilder had only lost to fury and after that (the losses you’re now referencing) came from when he was in his late 30’s. Ages where both Hatton and Hamed were retired by. If you want to go that way, I can bring up Hatton’s loss to senchenko.

Hamed really only faced one elite fighter and got washed. His opposition otherwise is mediocre at best and not much better than wilders long reign at hw.

The hall of fame imo should be reserved for the truly elite of the sport. The bar got lowered with Gatti and I believe it stayed that way with hamed, hatton, Bradley and Moore. Good careers but not hall of fame worthy.

[Jab jab boom]

Come now, you’re better than this lol. Hamed was featherweight champ for 6 years, during which he had 3 title wins against Johnson, Soto and Bungu and 15 consecutive title defences. He also beat all available comers including a number of ex-champs like Kelley, McCullough, Vazquez and Medina, beating at least 9 Ring Top-10 fighters. His only loss was against an ATG, and even then he had to wait 13 years to be in the HoF.

You say Hatton beat a past prime fighter, yet Tszyu was on a 13 fight win streak, was the Ring’s comeback fighter of the year in 2004 before Hatton fought him months later in 2005, and was significant favourite with no plans of retiring until Hatton beat him. Add to that, Hatton also beat multiple champs across two divisions, was ranked as high as P4P no.3 and only lost to two ATGs before his first retirement, yet also waited over 10 years for HoF induction.

Wilder was never lineal champ (4th ranked HW in his era at best), beat just TWO Ring-rated fighters, and lost BADLY to non-HoF fighters, never mind ATGs. You seriously think his record is comparable to the other two, and that he deserves HoF entry?

See my reply above as it pertains to you your comment as well.