Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Is Deontay Wilder Destined for Hall of Fame?

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No. Other fighters who had similar career, exciting and dominant against weak oppositions, like Hamed for example. Hamed actually knocked out ranked fighters during his career, not just once or twice. Wilder on the other hand is the definition can crusher. Very few good wins against good oppoenent. Losses were all so bad, he was outboxed and knocked out

See you’re exposing your bias and hypocrisy. Wilder has wins over stiverne 2x, Ortiz 2x, Arreola, breazelle, Washington , Molina, and others who were all ranked when they fought. I don’t think either belong in hof but your argument as to why for wilder falls flat when you’re defending hamed.

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See you’re exposing your bias and hypocrisy. Wilder has wins over stiverne 2x, Ortiz 2x, Arreola, breazelle, Washington , Molina, and others who were all ranked when they fought. I don’t think either belong in hof but your argument as to why for wilder falls flat when you’re defending hamed.

You missed the part where i said Wilder won against few. Also ignoring his very bad losses when he faced top 5 heavyweights of his time. Hatton for example defeated another HOF and won the lineal title, if not for that win, i don't think he will get in HOF.

[gamesworn]

Your arguments against wilder are the same arguments I can make against Hamed and Hatton. Wilder had only lost to fury and after that (the losses you’re now referencing) came from when he was in his late 30’s. Ages where both Hatton and Hamed were retired by. If you want to go that way, I can bring up Hatton’s loss to senchenko.

Hamed really only faced one elite fighter and got washed. His opposition otherwise is mediocre at best and not much better than wilders long reign at hw.

The hall of fame imo should be reserved for the truly elite of the sport. The bar got lowered with Gatti and I believe it stayed that way with hamed, hatton, Bradley and Moore. Good careers but not hall of fame worthy.

I think your criteria is way too high. That is more All Time Great standards. If the IBHOF used your criteria, then we're lucky to see 1 HOF per year. Especially this era, Usyk and Canelo are probably the only ones i see as ATG status. And Canelo for me is still debatable. Crawford i need to see more better oppositions.

I do agree with Gatti, but let's not add more like him.

[Blackstarr]

See my reply above as it pertains to you your comment as well.

You can’t make the same argument at all..Fury doesn’t belong in the same sentence as Mayweather, Pacquiao, or even Barrera, and is borderline HoF himself at the very best for now. HWs fight at an age well beyond lower weight classes on average, and Wilder got destroyed by someone even older than him so that point about him losing in his late 30s is irrelevant. Hatton had initially retired and was out of the ring for well over 3 years before fighting Senchenko, so try again.

You’re confusing “elite” with “great”. All those fighters listed were champs/ex-champs/considered amongst the top tier in their division. Wilder has only beaten two fighters considered top-10, one of whom was older than what Wilder was when getting dominated by the likes of Zhang and Parker.

What’s stopping you from seeing basic facts? You can’t possibly believe what you’re writing do you?

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You missed the part where i said Wilder won against few. Also ignoring his very bad losses when he faced top 5 heavyweights of his time. Hatton for example defeated another HOF and won the lineal title, if not for that win, i don't think he will get in HOF.

You said one or two, it’s significantly more than that. Now you went back to Hatton for his one win, but what about your Hamed argument? Not much difference between him and wilder in that regard. Hatton has 1 solid win and 3 ko losses, just like wilder. Wilder was stopped twice by Fury, and late in his career by Zhang. Hatton was stopped by Floyd (not a ko puncher) and obliterated by pac. Then late in his career by senchenko. Also , if we’re being honest, Hatton got a very fortunate decision vs collazo too.

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You can’t make the same argument at all..Fury doesn’t belong in the same sentence as Mayweather, Pacquiao, or even Barrera, and is borderline HoF himself at the very best for now. HWs fight at an age well beyond lower weight classes on average, and Wilder got destroyed by someone even older than him so that point about him losing in his late 30s is irrelevant. Hatton had initially retired and was out of the ring for well over 3 years before fighting Senchenko, so try again.

You’re confusing “elite” with “great”. All those fighters listed were champs/ex-champs/considered amongst the top tier in their division. Wilder has only beaten two fighters considered top-10, one of whom was older than what Wilder was when getting dominated by the likes of Zhang and Parker.

What’s stopping you from seeing basic facts? You can’t possibly believe what you’re writing do you?

Ohh the hypocrisy. So fury doesn’t belong in the same sentence as Barrera (2 losses to junior jones) and is a borderline hall of famer, yet you argue that Hatton and Hamed belong in the hof?? Please stop.

Wilder got stopped by someone older than him (at 38 yrs old) and so did Hatton against Senchenko at just 34 yrs old. Hatton has 1 meaningful win against someone in his last fight of his career where he was given clear home field advantage by the ref of we’re being honest. If we’re also being honest he deserved to lose to collazo.

I don’t think any of them belong in the hall of fame and if they are, I could make a stronger argument as to why Fernando Vargas and Ricardo mayorga could be on the hall of fame because they both had better wins than hamed, Hatton and wilder combined. Stop being a hypocrite and stretching reality to fit your narrative.

[gamesworn]

You said one or two, it’s significantly more than that. Now you went back to Hatton for his one win, but what about your Hamed argument? Not much difference between him and wilder in that regard. Hatton has 1 solid win and 3 ko losses, just like wilder. Wilder was stopped twice by Fury, and late in his career by Zhang. Hatton was stopped by Floyd (not a ko puncher) and obliterated by pac. Then late in his career by senchenko. Also , if we’re being honest, Hatton got a very fortunate decision vs collazo too.

You are already debunked by postee "Blackstarr", so i didn't bother pointing that out but since you're persistent about this, I did check the rankings to make sure. Washington, Molina, Breazelle and Arreola were not in top 10 when Wilder defeated them. So i'm not sure where are you getting these informations. Boxrec is available for you to see.

Edit: I even checked TBRB Archives, just for you and none of those 4 fighters you mentioned were in top 10 when Wilder defeated them. This is more accurate with monthly rankings.

[Blackstarr]

Ohh the hypocrisy. So fury doesn’t belong in the same sentence as Barrera (2 losses to junior jones) and is a borderline hall of famer, yet you argue that Hatton and Hamed belong in the hof?? Please stop.

Wilder got stopped by someone older than him (at 38 yrs old) and so did Hatton against Senchenko at just 34 yrs old. Hatton has 1 meaningful win against someone in his last fight of his career where he was given clear home field advantage by the ref of we’re being honest. If we’re also being honest he deserved to lose to collazo.

I don’t think any of them belong in the hall of fame and if they are, I could make a stronger argument as to why Fernando Vargas and Ricardo mayorga could be on the hall of fame because they both had better wins than hamed, Hatton and wilder combined. Stop being a hypocrite and stretching reality to fit your narrative.

That’s correct, he doesn’t belong in the same sentence as a multi-weight champ who won multiple titles, fought everyone, fought plenty world class fighters, beat two hall of famers and has been ranked around the top-50 p4p ever by a number of publications like BoxRec and ESPN. Yes he lost to an elite two-division champ..so what? That’s what happens when you’re matched tough and continually challenge yourself.

Besides, I wasn’t actually arguing that Hamed and Hatton belong in the HoF. I can accept that they are borderline, and that is fully reflective in how long it took for them to enter. Regardless of what anyone thinks about their induction, saying Hatton has only one meaningful win shows you know absolutely nothing.

What I objected to was you stating that Wilder’s record is comparable to Hamed and Hatton, which is ridiculous. You’re an actual fool if you genuinely believe that. Wilder was never #1 in his division, beat no other titleholders, and has the most manufactured record in HW championship history. If you think Hatton and Hamed’s record is poor then fair enough, but by that token Wilder’s record is downright trash.

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You are already debunked by postee "Blackstarr", so i didn't bother pointing that out but since you're persistent about this, I did check the rankings to make sure. Washington, Molina, Breazelle and Arreola were not in top 10 when Wilder defeated them. So i'm not sure where are you getting these informations. Boxrec is available for you to see.

Edit: I even checked TBRB Archives, just for you and none of those 4 fighters you mentioned were in top 10 when Wilder defeated them. This is more accurate with monthly rankings.

In the top 10 of what? They were all ranked by the wbc when he fought them. Stiverne, Molina, szpilka, breazelle, and Ortiz, all in the wbc top 10 Duhaupas and Arreola were both ranked in the top 15. Rankings go up to 15, you only said “hamed beat ranked fighters”. As I proved above, so did wilder. Now you want to move the goal post? If you’re going to argue how Hamed was beating multiple ranked fighters yet claim wilders title matches weren’t against ranked opponents, you’re being selective at what you’re looking at and not being consistent.

None of what I’m stating has been debunked because you’re trying to argue that 2 guys should be on the hall of fame when their careers are extremely similar to wilders in many ways. The only difference is that you’re biased towards some and biased against the other.
I on the other hand have been consistent, none of them belong in the hall of fame.

So run with your ranking arguments but it terms of actual quality if fighter, Hatton has 1 win against an elite fighter and was dominated by the only other two top names he faced and Hamed has 0 wins against an elite fighter. The only thing they have is popularity because British fans are a gullible group. Same exact reason why AJ is popular.

[Jab jab boom]

That’s correct, he doesn’t belong in the same sentence as a multi-weight champ who won multiple titles, fought everyone, fought plenty world class fighters, beat two hall of famers and has been ranked around the top-50 p4p ever by a number of publications like BoxRec and ESPN. Yes he lost to an elite two-division champ..so what? That’s what happens when you’re matched tough and continually challenge yourself.

Besides, I wasn’t actually arguing that Hamed and Hatton belong in the HoF. I can accept that they are borderline, and that is fully reflective in how long it took for them to enter. Regardless of what anyone thinks about their induction, saying Hatton has only one meaningful win shows you know absolutely nothing.

What I objected to was you stating that Wilder’s record is comparable to Hamed and Hatton, which is ridiculous. You’re an actual fool if you genuinely believe that. Wilder was never #1 in his division, beat no other titleholders, and has the most manufactured record in HW championship history. If you think Hatton and Hamed’s record is poor then fair enough, but by that token Wilder’s record is downright trash.

You are aware that fury had been lineal for years right? That he dethroned a hall of famer for his first world title, beat wilder who was undefeated and had 10 defenses? Went undefeated over a career that spanned 14 yrs until the other week? Yet, he doesn’t belong in a sentence with Barrera? Stop the nonsense. And for the record, Barrera is one of my favorite fighters ever.
I stand by my statement that Tyszu win aside, wilder has a comparable level of wins to Hatton and Hamed. You can disagree but end of the day, Hatton and Hamed are in, and wilder will probably get in too regardless.