Comments Thread For: Sensational Daniel Dubois Destroys Filip Hrgovic In Eight Violent Rounds

[Boro]

Wallin is the best boxer that Fury has beaten in the last 8 years (As opposed to brawler), so there you go, says it all

And yes Fury was 3 years out because he had a 2 year drug ban for PEDs

Kind of seems like you are working very hard to find reasons for how AJ is bad while I need to put zero effort into my arguments that show he is more proven than anyone else. Maybe that should tell you something?

I'm well aware Fury lied about mental health to cover up his backdated ban but that doesn't change the reality he was out for 3 years.

Nor does it change the fact AJ should've lost to Savon in the round of 16 or arguably lost Cammarelle in the final and in turn got undeserved hype and push...

Which arguably negates any advantage "Fury" had in terms of years in the sport, Fury went the traditional route of area,English, British, commonwealth etc Joshua skipped the traditional route because of the aforementioned push.

For context Fury fought for his first British title 959 days after his debut, AJ was fighting for a world title 917 after his.

How am i trying to prove AJ is bad when I think everyone is bad, I've already said Fury has arguably two good wins on his resume same as AJ and they've both lost to their best opponent...

You haven't proven AJ is more proven than anyone, you've "proven" that AJ and Fury are fighting similar level opposition.

And at the highest level the opponent, Usyk admits to Fury being the harder opposition despite the cans being more effectively dealt with by Joshua.

[Roberto Vasquez]

I'm well aware Fury lied about mental health to cover up his backdated ban but that doesn't change the reality he was out for 3 years.

Nor does it change the fact AJ should've lost to Savon in the round of 16 or arguably lost Cammarelle in the final and in turn got undeserved hype and push...

Which arguably negates any advantage "Fury" had in terms of years in the sport, Fury went the traditional route of area,English, British, commonwealth etc Joshua skipped the traditional route because of the aforementioned push.

For context Fury fought for his first British title 959 days after his debut, AJ was fighting for a world title 917 after his.

How am i trying to prove AJ is bad when I think everyone is bad, I've already said Fury has arguably two good wins on his resume same as AJ and they've both lost to their best opponent...

You haven't proven AJ is more proven than anyone, you've "proven" that AJ and Fury are fighting similar level opposition.

And at the highest level the opponent, Usyk admits to Fury being the harder opposition despite the cans being more effectively dealt with by Joshua.

It doesn't matter if Joshua had got silver or gold. Either is good. He started boxing late. Meanwhile Fury has been boxing "all his life" and got beat by David Price and didn't even make it to the Olympics!

And the hype was justified, Joshua is a top-3 HW in the world. That much is 100% proven. Audley Harrison was the olympics guy who didn't deserve the hype.... Even Price deserved some of the hype he got. He def had huge power.

You are saying Joshua fought cans - when Fury's record is way worse. Joshua could never have fought Pianeta or Schwarz. Even Wallin was ranked about 25th in the world when Fury fought him. He thought he was getting another easy fight.

Just the fact we to compare resumes for 2 of the top HWs when they still haven't fought each other speaks volumes. Given Fury had to be rounded up with a gun to his head to get in the ring with Uysk. I think it's pretty clear who ducked those AJ fights now...

[Boro]

It doesn't matter if Joshua had got silver or gold. Either is good. He started boxing late. Meanwhile Fury has been boxing "all his life" and got beat by David Price and didn't even make it to the Olympics!

And the hype was justified, Joshua is a top-3 HW in the world. That much is 100% proven. Audley Harrison was the olympics guy who didn't deserve the hype.... Even Price deserved some of the hype he got. He def had huge power.

You are saying Joshua fought cans - when Fury's record is way worse. Joshua could never have fought Pianeta or Schwarz. Even Wallin was ranked about 25th in the world when Fury fought him. He thought he was getting another easy fight.

Just the fact we to compare resumes for 2 of the top HWs when they still haven't fought each other speaks volumes. Given Fury had to be rounded up with a gun to his head to get in the ring with Uysk. I think it's pretty clear who ducked those AJ fights now...

AJ shouldn't of even qualified for medals, that's the point Savon beat him and made that an impossibility but homecooking saw him through to a robbed gold.

But of course your inner fanboy won't let admit that TRUTH, even the British media were against the Savon decision.

I don't care if Fury was beat by David price in the amatuers or qualified for the Olympics, AJ was beat by a debutant Whyte in the amateurs so what's your point?

Pianeta was one of his come back fights and lets not act like Pianeta is some random who hadn't fought Wlad, Schwarz was ranked #2 WBO and Wallin was ranked #4 WBA.

If we're going to respect the likes of Whyte and Breazele for their ratings in sanctioning bodies we've got to extend the same to Furys opponents.

And of course I'm saying AJ has fought cans so has Fury since Wlad, they both share that in common, one credible win since Wlad, Povetkin and Wilder respectively and a loss to their best opponent since...

[Roberto Vasquez]

AJ shouldn't of even qualified for medals, that's the point Savon beat him and made that an impossibility but homecooking saw him through to a robbed gold.

But of course your inner fanboy won't let admit that TRUTH, even the British media were against the Savon decision.

I don't care if Fury was beat by David price in the amatuers or qualified for the Olympics, AJ was beat by a debutant Whyte in the amateurs so what's your point?

Pianeta was one of his come back fights and lets not act like Pianeta is some random who hadn't fought Wlad, Schwarz was ranked #2 WBO and Wallin was ranked #4 WBA.

If we're going to respect the likes of Whyte and Breazele for their ratings in sanctioning bodies we've got to extend the same to Furys opponents.

And of course I'm saying AJ has fought cans so has Fury since Wlad, they both share that in common, one credible win since Wlad, Povetkin and Wilder respectively and a loss to their best opponent since...

You are using sanctioning body rankings lol. Name all those guys you mentioned 3 best wins at the time and you will find out. Think about it. How could Schwarz have been rated above even Parker and Ruiz, let alone a ton of actual top-15 guys like Takam, Chisora, Helenius. I was using actual world rankings based on results not politics.

The Olympics is where it counts in the amateurs. You don't get to pick opponents like in the pros. You seem to be more interested (too interested!) in AJ than I am. I don't even care enough to go back and watch his Olympic fights. But every Olympics has dodgy results. The point is to to get there and if you do well you will have a chance. AJ won gold.

AJ went on to be a world champion who defended his belts about twice as many times as Fury. So how was he over-hyped? You don't need to become the greatest fighter who ever lived to deserve hype when you are coming up!

As for losing to Whyte - I never said that losses are bad. And Whyte turned out to be a lot better than Price. Its you who seems to think losses mean everything. That's why you support a guy who hardly fights anyone good - because it means he always wins. Until one day he can't avoid a certain someone any longer and gets found out. For me boxing is a sport like any other. It's not about unbeaten records. In no other sport do those exist. Maybe only Jon Jones in MMA has managed that. The exception that proves the rule..

[Boro]

You are using sanctioning body rankings lol. Name all those guys you mentioned 3 best wins at the time and you will find out. Think about it. How could Schwarz have been rated above even Parker and Ruiz, let alone a ton of actual top-15 guys like Takam, Chisora, Helenius. I was using actual world rankings based on results not politics.

The Olympics is where it counts in the amateurs. You don't get to pick opponents like in the pros. You seem to be more interested (too interested!) in AJ than I am. I don't even care enough to go back and watch his Olympic fights. But every Olympics has dodgy results. The point is to to get there and if you do well you will have a chance. AJ won gold.

AJ went on to be a world champion who defended his belts about twice as many times as Fury. So how was he over-hyped? You don't need to become the greatest fighter who ever lived to deserve hype when you are coming up!

As for losing to Whyte - I never said that losses are bad. And Whyte turned out to be a lot better than Price. Its you who seems to think losses mean everything. That's why you support a guy who hardly fights anyone good - because it means he always wins. Until one day he can't avoid a certain someone any longer and gets found out. For me boxing is a sport like any other. It's not about unbeaten records. In no other sport do those exist. Maybe only Jon Jones in MMA has managed that. The exception that proves the rule..

You mean "world rankings" like "The ring" or "TBRB" in which the likes of Pulev got his place in the top 10 based on wins like Rydell booker and Bogan dinu or Povetkin broke into the top 10 beating Price.

Or worse still Ortiz was in there for years on the basis of god knows what? losing to Wilder!? how oblivious you must be to take them anymore serious then sanctioning bodies.

Ruiz wasn't even rated until he beat AJ, you have to go to sanctioning bodies to validate his position, so that's another L.

AJ got multiple dodgy decisions in his home country and became a star off the back of it whilst Frazer Clarke and Joyce got passed over for him.

And if the Olympics is "where it counts" so much, why are you content for Savon and Cammarelle to be robbed, particularly Cammarelle who's tried for gold in multiple Olympic cycles.

Your inability to grasp the basic concept that hype based off an unwarranted gold equates to unwarranted hype is truthfully beyond me.

Who do i allegedly support like?! Fury could die tomorrow for all I care.

You've consistently assigned shít to me I haven't said or implied and you've choose to ignore the numerous times I've said they're all shít in this era but again you're overlooking look the trash AJ has fought like Wallin, Breazle, Franklin, Helenius etc etc to mention the outliers like ??? to downplay Fury.

When as I've stated multiple times throughout, they're bought fighting trash and that's the bottom line and they both come unstuck against the one decent boxer in the division.

[joe strong]

I was still willing to give Hrgovic the benefit of the doubt. I even put some money on him to win a decision.

But the reality of this fight reminded me of what I had always thought about him (and written here many times): he's a level above the Guido Vianellos of this world, nothing more than that.

Hrgovic is simply another Dimitrenko. Had a few decent wins over name journeymen but after the Molina fight I was convinced he would go down the same path once he faced better opponents. People on this site were hyping Dimitrenko to be the next Klitschko & the same can be said about Hrgovic

[Tatabanya]

Hrgovic is simply another Dimitrenko. Had a few decent wins over name journeymen but after the Molina fight I was convinced he would go down the same path once he faced better opponents. People on this site were hyping Dimitrenko to be the next Klitschko & the same can be said about Hrgovic

I agree, the Molina fight was the point where I myself became certain of his unexceptional abilities.

[Roberto Vasquez]

You mean "world rankings" like "The ring" or "TBRB" in which the likes of Pulev got his place in the top 10 based on wins like Rydell booker and Bogan dinu or Povetkin broke into the top 10 beating Price.

Or worse still Ortiz was in there for years on the basis of god knows what? losing to Wilder!? how oblivious you must be to take them anymore serious then sanctioning bodies.

Ruiz wasn't even rated until he beat AJ, you have to go to sanctioning bodies to validate his position, so that's another L.

AJ got multiple dodgy decisions in his home country and became a star off the back of it whilst Frazer Clarke and Joyce got passed over for him.

And if the Olympics is "where it counts" so much, why are you content for Savon and Cammarelle to be robbed, particularly Cammarelle who's tried for gold in multiple Olympic cycles.

Your inability to grasp the basic concept that hype based off an unwarranted gold equates to unwarranted hype is truthfully beyond me.

Who do i allegedly support like?! Fury could die tomorrow for all I care.

You've consistently assigned shít to me I haven't said or implied and you've choose to ignore the numerous times I've said they're all shít in this era but again you're overlooking look the trash AJ has fought like Wallin, Breazle, Franklin, Helenius etc etc to mention the outliers like ??? to downplay Fury.

When as I've stated multiple times throughout, they're bought fighting trash and that's the bottom line and they both come unstuck against the one decent boxer in the division.

You still haven;t explained how those guys like Pianeta and Schwarz are better than Povetkin, Pulev, Helenius, Chisora, Takam, Parker etc and deserved their top 5 ratings or whatever you said before??? You say you don't support Fury but work very hard to say those opponents were credible! lol

AJ knocked Joe Joyce out in 1 round in the amateurs so seems fair enough to me. Plus Joyce decided to stay in amateur boxing for far too long. And he hasn't ever won a world title. Frazer Clarke looked poor in his last fight. Not exactly AJ standard.

Again for someone who is non-biased on all boxers you seem to be working far too hard to say AJ is bad. But it never works because he of all top HW boxers has taken the hardest fights. So we know his standard, we know how good he is and we know his flaws, but he's proven.

Fury has fought 3 (now he finally fought Uysk) top-10 boxers in the last 8 years. I don't need to make him look bad - he already does look bad. He's defended his belts successfully 3 times his whole career. He might be a very good fighter but he doesn't act like one when it comes to taking the hard fights. Why is that? Lack of confidence? The PED use implies that too

[Boro]

You still haven;t explained how those guys like Pianeta and Schwarz are better than Povetkin, Pulev, Helenius, Chisora, Takam, Parker etc and deserved their top 5 ratings or whatever you said before??? You say you don't support Fury but work very hard to say those opponents were credible! lol

AJ knocked Joe Joyce out in 1 round in the amateurs so seems fair enough to me. Plus Joyce decided to stay in amateur boxing for far too long. And he hasn't ever won a world title. Frazer Clarke looked poor in his last fight. Not exactly AJ standard.

Again for someone who is non-biased on all boxers you seem to be working far too hard to say AJ is bad. But it never works because he of all top HW boxers has taken the hardest fights. So we know his standard, we know how good he is and we know his flaws, but he's proven.

Fury has fought 3 (now he finally fought Uysk) top-10 boxers in the last 8 years. I don't need to make him look bad - he already does look bad. He's defended his belts successfully 3 times his whole career. He might be a very good fighter but he doesn't act like one when it comes to taking the hard fights. Why is that? Lack of confidence? The PED use implies that too

Who've I've claimed is credible beyond Wlad and a very questionable Wilder? No one said Pianeta was rated and Schwarz had his useless rating because he had a crappy intercontinental belt and "defend his title" like 3 times, I don't make the rules, nor do I agree with them but they are what they are, people have to got to earn their right at a title somehow or people will fight cans once they've got a belt for the majority of their career.

I've never claimed AJ was bad once, I said he was overhyped just like the entirety of the division, you're for some reason conflating the two.

Again top ratings mean nothing when you break into the aforementioned ratings the way Pulev did with a win over Bogan Dinu, Povetkin over Price and a multitude of other fighters

Takam was never in the top 10 he was a late replacement who was rated in the sanctioning bodies (you no them things you critiqued earlier for Fury), Helenius was never top 10 either at any point he was linked to Joshua, he's never fought Chisora and Parker was arguably an undeserved champion he beat with the aid of a shocking ref.

And the fact Fury got caught during the Hammer fight doesn't mean anything, you really think AJ putting on 20+ pounds of muscle was natural at 6'5 1/2 and barely an ounce of fat between his amateur and pro debut if you do I have a bridge to sell you...

The truth is they're all juicing some get away with it others don't it's that simple really.

There is a reason they allegedly caught Fury during the Hammer fight but they waited 16 months until AFTER the Hammer fight and popped him after the Wlad fight.

And almost went bankrupt trying to fight their frivolous case, they only care about money and APPEARING useful, hence why most drug tests are failing in high profile fights.

It makes VADA or others look useful and able to catch people at the most opportune moment and when people have just had arguably their career highest payday sitting out for a 6months/1 year isn't going to hurt them (as much) especially when some people only fight yearly anyways.

[Toffee]

they allegedly caught Fury during the Hammer fight

Not sure why you think that was "alleged". It's fact. It happened. It's proven.

And yes it should have been dealt with earlier. ie he should never have been allowed to fight Wlad for the belts when he was a proven drugs cheat.