Comments Thread For: Carl Froch: The Rematch With Groves Was Rubbish, Apart From One Punch

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Groves was actually getting the better of it before getting splattered. I don't think Froch ever wanted any parts of Degale, that's certainly the impression I got. He always seem to distance himself from him when the two were mentioned as a potential fight.

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Don’t sweat it, Carl. I remember you for the Ward beating.
I recall the years he was active, faced a lot of domestic level guys what it seems like. Similar marketing as AJ, dumb as$ fans too.

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My recollection is that Bute was incredibly highly regarded. He chose to sit out the 'Super six' but a lot of 'boxing experts' were convinced he was top man at 168. After Froch basically tore him to pieces I remember both Ward & Dirrell were just laughing, saying 'you thought you were too good for us Lucien'. Bute was the ultimate hype-job but, fair play, it took Froch to prove that. I think Froch had a load of great wins v Pascal, v Taylor, v Bute & v Groves. Probably the best, IMO, was Taylor. He was being owned, outclassed by Jermain & he just kept coming & pulled out a savage KO victory. That night ended Jermain Taylor, he just was never the same, & Jermain was an exceptional boxer.

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Yeah the Bute performance was quality from Froch even tho Bute was overrated he never fought outside of Canada before that fight and the opponents he fought were average or faded former champions think his best win at that point was Sakio Bika or an ancient Glen Johnson. I always fought Frochs most underrated performance was when he won his first world title against Jean Pascal and his best performance was when he beat Arthur Abraham. Nobody had beat Abraham convincingly up to that point

Bute had fought in the US and Romania a few times before the Froch fight.

Andrade, Berrio and Bika are definitely Bute's best wins. Johnson was shot to pieces and meant nothing. Miranda and Magee are better than that win. But those 3 although not the greatest, they were definitely good world class fighters.

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Meanwhile Bute was the one who didn’t enter the super 6 and sat back facing guys like Andrade, Brinkley, Magee, and Mendee while Ward was facing Kessler, Abraham and Froch. Then when bute finally had the chance to truly prove himself, he got smoked by someone Ward easily beat. You’re trying to convince me that based on those two levels of opposition l, and Ward who later on fought the prime Krusher version of Kovalev, shamelessly ducked bute? Yeahhhh ok.

People always forget the fact that after Taylor left the super 6, Bute was called up. Showtime asked all the fighters and managers if they minded Bute being involved at that point. All fighters and managers apart from 1 said yes. Ward and Goossen said if Bute entered, they would walk. It was only covered on TV with the Super six extras and not shown on the main show. I looked all over for it a couple of years ago and couldn't find it. I'll keep looking though. But it covered this situation. When i saw it, i was shocked as it hadn't been put out there by any press or anything. But it did happen. I saw it with my own eyes.

Ward also ducked the fight and claimed he needed to fight a Froch or a Kessler. 1 day later it's revealed that Bute and Froch have a 2 fight deal only for Ward to turn around and ask why he was fighting him. Well, Ward said a day before he had to otherwise he wouldn't fight him. Just another day in the Ward bullshlt department to go alongside all the other bullshlt he came out with.

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I'm no Ward fan by any stretch of the imagination but Margarito was a blatant cheater with hardened plaster in his gloves though. Everything he accomplished is therefore highly suspect.

True. But when Floyd ducked him, this hadn't happened until a few years later. Floyd can't use that excuse as he was no mind reader. But he definitely was a serial ducker and cherry picker.

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you're wrong on all accounts. I’d break it down to you and even go into detail of ggg turning it down and even suddenly wanting a catchweight when declining a canelo catch weight but you seem to wrapped up in your lies to understand the truth. But have a good day.

Ward wanted a signed contract a year ahead of time with Golovkin which is preposterous. Ward was making silly excuses that made no sense.

As for the catch weight... Golovkin said he was the bigger seller (True) and wanted the bigger cut. Ward said he wanted 50/50. Golovkin said if he wanted half the money even though he didn't generate half the revenue, he wanted something his way. That's when he said the catchweight. Ward refused. Golovkin said fine, i'll take the bigger cut and we'll fight at 168. Ward refused that offer too.

Make sure the whole truth and all the context is added when retelling situations.

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That Pascal fight was a barnburner. Too bad they never had a rematch.

Damn right it was a barnburner. It was great.

Yeah, shame there wasn't a rematch. But Pascal went to LH whereas Froch made SM easily. But hey, at least we still have that first fight.

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I used to flame war with the Canadian fans often back then. I always thought that Bute was a manufactured champion who fought nobodies. The first dangerous body he faced was Froch and dude was like a deer caught in a headlight.

Had he entered the Super 6 tourney on Showtime, he definitely would have got exposed sooner. That’s why he ran from the tournament.

At first, Bute wasn't invited. But when Taylor left, Showtime wanted him involved. But first they wanted to ask the other fighters how they felt about it. All of them apart from Ward and Goossen accepted. Ward threatened to walk if he did. So Bute had to wait. But when it was all over, Bute wanted to fight them. He wanted Kessler but they couldn't come to an arrangement. He wanted Ward but he refused and said he needed to fight one of the other contestants even though Ward was looking to fight bums instead. Bute then tried Froch which is when they came up with the 2 fight deal.

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Ward wanted a signed contract a year ahead of time with Golovkin which is preposterous. Ward was making silly excuses that made no sense.

As for the catch weight... Golovkin said he was the bigger seller (True) and wanted the bigger cut. Ward said he wanted 50/50. Golovkin said if he wanted half the money even though he didn't generate half the revenue, he wanted something his way. That's when he said the catchweight. Ward refused. Golovkin said fine, i'll take the bigger cut and we'll fight at 168. Ward refused that offer too.

Make sure the whole truth and all the context is added when retelling situations.

False. Ggg said he’d fight anyone up to 168 so then when the Ward fight was offered ggg countered with a catchweight. He never offered to fight Ward at a full 168. He was willing to fight Froch however at the full 168 and then Froch retired instead of fighting him. Then eubank jr bailed right after that. Then Brook proved to be the only Brit with balls and had his career ruined. That’s the truth.