Terence Crawford vs Naoya Inoue vs Oleksandr Usyk resume deep dives

[IronDanHamza]

Paul Butler literally won two world titles. Dillian Whyte accomplished nothing in his entire career.

And yes, the lower divisions are WAY more stacked with talent than heavyweight.

That's why Wilder and Joshua were both able to win world titles and Olympic medals with very little experience.
That's why Charles Martin, Joseph Parker, and Bermane Stiverne were able to win world titles.
That's why Francis Ngannou was able to drop the reigning WBC heavyweight champion in his first ever boxing match.

Not really. Some of those divisions are total garbage. To the point Paul Butler can be champion

And no he didn't "win" two world titles, we established that. He won one, of Stuart Hall What a fighter he was. STACKED with talent when Stuart Hall is a champion.

But again, we've established you pick and chose when rankings matter. So at this point your opinion has expired.

[JOITATS]

He's not an "easy hall of famer" at all firstly. I doubt he even get's in there and unlikely on the first ballot if he even does.

Navarez isn't some great fighter. He was decent in a wasteland of a divison. To say he's better than Tyson Fury is COMICAL.

Narvaez is a hall of famer.

If you live in the UK or US, Fury and AJ are popular names. You will also have have NO media coverage of the lighter weights. But skill and popularity are 2 completely different things.

Tyson Fury recently got knocked down and arguably lost on pts to a first time MMA boxer who was also undersized. Ngannou was landing frequently and on will. Did you know a few years ago, was a bouncer in Paris with no martial arts or boxing experience?

[famicommander]

Not really. Some of those divisions are total garbage. To the point Paul Butler can be champion

And no he didn't "win" two world titles, we established that. He won one, of Stuart Hall What a fighter he was.

But again, we've established you pick and chose when rankings matter. So at this point your opinion has expired.

You're the one who still can't explain why total novices are able to win Olympic medals and drop champions at heavyweight but not in any other weight classes, ever.

[IronDanHamza]

Narvaez is a hall of famer.

If you live in the UK or US, Fury and AJ are popular names. You will also have have NO media coverage of the lighter weights. But skill and popularity are 2 completely different things.

Tyson Fury recently got knocked down and arguably lost on pts to a first time MMA boxer who was also undersized. Ngannou was landing frequently and on will. Did you know a few years ago, was a bouncer in Paris with no martial arts or boxing experience?

I mean, maybe. I doubt it but maybe. Highly doubt he gets in first ballot but he might get in eventually but even I doubt it.

Tyson Fury is a first ballot hall of famer. It's not a comparison.

Define "a few" because he's been a pro fighter for over a decade.

[IronDanHamza]

You're the one who still can't explain why total novices are able to win Olympic medals and drop champions at heavyweight but not in any other weight classes, ever.

You didn't ask me to explain that. I don't watch amateur boxing so I don't really care.

It's irrelevant and you didn't address anything that was said because you're talking total nonsense. I'm not the one who brought up the quality of the divisons, you did. And, you conveniently pick and chose when that matters aswell.

One minute rankings essentially mean everything, the next they don't mean anything and a ranked fighter is a "bum".

One minute it's because the division is weak, then you rate wins where Stuart Hall managed to be champion in the division.

It's the epitome of a fallacy argument. Well done.

[JOITATS]

Butler was one of the weakest Inoue opponents, but he had a belt.

Fulton, Nery, Donaire, Tapales. Those are all top names. Inoue not only beat, but destroyed them. While moving up, all in 1 year.
Usyk barely split decisioned Fury.

It’s not even a comparison of who has been more dominant.

[famicommander]

You didn't ask me to explain that. I don't watch amateur boxing so I don't really care.

It's irrelevant and you didn't address anything that was said because you're talking total nonsense. I'm not the one who brought up the quality of the divisons, you did. And, you conveniently pick and chose when that matters aswell.

One minute rankings essentially mean everything, the next they don't mean anything and a ranked fighter is a "bum".

One minute it's because the division is weak, then you rate wins where Stuart Hall managed to be champion in the division.

It's the epitome of a fallacy argument. Well done.

You still haven't come up with a single argument yourself. All you've said still boils down to, "Usyk is better because Usyk is better."

[IronDanHamza]

You still haven't come up with a single argument yourself. All you've said still boils down to, "Usyk is better because Usyk is better."

If that makes you feel better mate then by all means This forum is public so the arguments presented are very clear.

You on the other hand will just move the goal post whenever it suits your argument. So, it's a pointless argument.

Either rankings matter or they don't.

Either divisons being weak matter of they don't.

You'd be best to decide which one it is. You can't have both.

[IronDanHamza]

Butler was one of the weakest Inoue opponents, but he had a belt.

Fulton, Nery, Donaire, Tapales. Those are all top names. Inoue not only beat, but destroyed them. While moving up, all in 1 year.
Usyk barely split decisioned Fury.

It’s not even a comparison of who has been more dominant.

So you're telling me that beating Luis Nery is better than beating Tyson Fury?

This is now bizarro world territory.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Butler was one of the weakest Inoue opponents, but he had a belt.

Fulton, Nery, Donaire, Tapales. Those are all top names. Inoue not only beat, but destroyed them. While moving up, all in 1 year.
Usyk barely split decisioned Fury.

It’s not even a comparison of who has been more dominant.

Or, otherwise, maybe his opponents ******, if he just dominated them.

So, beating Tapales is bigger than beating Fury??? LOL.

The most of Inoue`s opponents are unknowns.