Comments Thread For: Report: Ryan Garcia Tests Positive for PED, Being Processed for Second Positive

[kafkod]

Synthetic HGH and Testosterone are both banned substances. Which is why if you test above the threshold you test positive for those substances, because they can only be reached by synthetic use, which are banned substances. So you're totally incorrect on that one.

Well you just stated the exact problem right there, as it's impossible to demonstrably prove beyond reasonable doubt that a PED wasn't used deliberately.

It's why failing a drug test leaves no benefit of the doubt on the person that's failed. There is no excuse for having a PED in your system. It's very easily avoidable.

Testosterone and HGH are not banned substances. You just said yourself that you can only test positive for them by testing above the threshold. There is no threshold for banned substances. They are illegal in any amount. The question then is, can you prove you didn't ingest them deliberately and took every reasonable precaution to avoid ingesting them accidentally? If you can, you are cleared.

[IronDanHamza]

Testosterone and HGH are not banned substances. You just said yourself that you can only test positive for them by testing above the threshold. There is no threshold for banned substances. They are illegal in any amount.

Yes, they are.

Synthetic testosterone and HGH are absolutely banned substances. If you inject testosterone or HGH into your body you are injecting a banned substance.

The reason there is a threshold on that, and not in other compounds such as say Deca as an example, is because as you said your body doesn't produce Deca, like it does Testosterone and HGH.

That doesn't change the fact that synthetic testosterone and HGH absolutely ARE banned substances.

The question then is, can you prove you didn't ingest it deliberately and took every reasonable precaution to avoid ingesting it accidentally? If you can, you are cleared.

Well again that is the whole point, you cannot demonstrably prove that. It's impossible to do so.

Hence why the system is broken, and it's realistically only there in place to protect fighters from a financial perspective.

[richardt]

Interesting - Lucian Butte tested positive for the same PED from his draw with Boudou Jack.

[lefthook2daliva]

Sure, but I'm talking about ones that actually got bust for it.

Well, I guess I can't say Marquez was officially bust for it, but cmon! Cmon!

cmon cmon back at you...this is not the hill to die on

[bigBANGbear09]

To be clear, I think Garcia should be suspended for 6-12 months and the result turned into a no decision. I'm not ignoring that. It is very frustrating to me that a big event like this that exceeded expectations is ruined by illegal drug use by Garcia which hurts boxing which is already in bad shape. The other negative offshoot of this PED test however is that it may make Devin Haney relevant again and give him and his father a platform to mislead fans about his skill level and hurt the sport. I, and alot of other fans including you it seems, were looking forward to moving on from the Haneys' BS.

Fun fact.... suspended or not GARCIA is not fighting in a year just like fat Cruz did after Anthony Joshua fights.


About Devin Haney dude is relevant and his skill levels are definitely up high there ...he didn't get a free pass to be where he is today..nobody is perfect or the best but Devin Haney is DEFINITELY good at what he does BS or no BS.



Trust me ,work hard and if your condition changes for better today ..your definitely going to come up with some BS to hype yourself too not like it's fake.... We all need or do that PR just like when buying beers for everyone on Payday compare to you drinking a bottle and hurry out on a good day........Cheers

[champion4ever]

Victor Conte isn't the founder of VADA testing.

Then who is it boss; Margaret Goodman?

[IronDanHamza]

Then who is it boss; Margaret Goodman?

Believe so, yeah.

[Weebler I]

And full of PEDs.

Look I think they're all on something. Of course they are. They push every limit at this level.

Getting popped just means you got something wrong. The definition of a clean athlete is one who doesn't test positive and the charge sticks - it's got nothing to do with them actually being clean.

If this charge holds then he's a PED cheat. But let's see what happens.

I never used to think this, and maybe a few are genuinely clean but I've come to the reluctant conclusion it must be a very small minority.

[champion4ever]

see Jeff left hook Lacy, same hype, same beatdown. same loss of career. has happened alot actually.

That was Jeff Lacy’s style. He was a face first brawler who always ate and absorbed a lot of punches in his fights prior to that Joe Calzaghe fight.

He had a crowd pleasing style as opposed to Haney. who everyone say is boring because he does not like to get hit or take many risks inside of the ring.

Jeff ‘Left Hook’Lacy had been taking those type of ass whoopings for practically his entire career. His durability was his defense.

He was a pressure fighter with no defense. He had to bring ass in order to get ass.

[champion4ever]

Believe so, yeah.

You are correct. She is the founder of VADA or at least the co-founder of it.