Comments Thread For: Report: Ryan Garcia Tests Positive for PED, Being Processed for Second Positive

[GFunk23]

I agreed with everything you said right up until "so I'm not excusing Ryan's use if peds" cause it kinda feels like you about to use excuses. Listen if the article was about Haney being fake or not having any power or his daddy then your response would be warranted. It's not. The article is about Ryan getting caught for PED cheating. But you and a lot if others on here are ignoring that and using this as a time to vent about disliking his father. Why???

To be clear, I think Garcia should be suspended for 6-12 months and the result turned into a no decision. I'm not ignoring that. It is very frustrating to me that a big event like this that exceeded expectations is ruined by illegal drug use by Garcia which hurts boxing which is already in bad shape. The other negative offshoot of this PED test however is that it may make Devin Haney relevant again and give him and his father a platform to mislead fans about his skill level and hurt the sport. I, and alot of other fans including you it seems, were looking forward to moving on from the Haneys' BS.

[ELPacman]

Calm down. Pac was as dirty as anybody else.

Sure, but I'm talking about ones that actually got bust for it.

Well, I guess I can't say Marquez was officially bust for it, but cmon! Cmon!

[Theshotyoudontsee]

The worst part for me is the fact that people seemed to completely ignore Garcia cheating on the scales and talk as if he won fair and square just because they don't like Haney's dad and the Loma decision.

Boxing can be so infuriating. Why are their weight limits if fighters can come in heavy and still fight by paying a fine if the fight is high profile enough? What's the point of any rules if the **** doesn't always get enforced depending on who's doing the cheating? Now this PED thing comes to light and there are still people commenting as if it's no big deal and a legit win. It's frustrating as hell.

The real silliness is the fact that guys come into the ring at 150+ the day after, using IV's and every trick there is.

Imagine being a guy who actually weighs around 140, and you want to box. You are getting in to the ring with guys who are actually 150+ pound guys, they just medically removed all the fluid from their bodies for 48-72 hours before the weigh in. They make weight, are hooked up to IV's and their muscles fill back up with glycogen. They come into the ring, sometimes near jr Middleweights. Haney does it. Most of the champs do it now. This is how Tank beat a skeletal Garcia.

Which means anyone fighting naturally at 140 who actually weighs 140 is a huge disadvantage. And as a result, the weight classes are meaningless at this point.

Just make guys weigh in a few hours before the fight. Fixes a huge problem with that **** right there. If guys are willing to literally die by starving themselves to make a weight class, or to die in the ring to avoid bigger guys, that is on them. Suddenly we'd have fair fights, no weight bullying, all that BS would be gone.

As far as PED's, anyone in or around professional sports will tell you, if a guy is winning at the pro level, it is basically a certainty that they are using stuff. Armstrong was tested every which way and passed everything. Came out later it was all bs, buried bad results. It is the same in all sports. If a shot or a pill means winning or losing, a guy will do it and pay someone to cover it up. If a shot or pill is needed to even compete, a guy will do it and pay someone to cover it up. Take a drug testing blood drawer making $20 an hour and give them tens of thousands to make sure it is clean. Take someone working at VADA making $20 an hour and give them tens of thousands to make a test dirty.

It is all just corrupt bull****. Just let them all dope and see who wins. They are anyway.

[Poopdick]

Since when has one good ass whooping ever ended a fighter’s career? Perhaps 20 years from now he’ll feel the the effects of it but not now as an active fighter.

However, he doesn’t want to take too many of them because it could potentially shave many years off his career.

Besides, Ryan Garcia was a fight that Haney didn’t have to take. It was a voluntary challenge.

Devin Haney is a great athlete. His body was well conditioned, both physically fit and healthy.

So it should heal just fine.

see Jeff left hook Lacy, same hype, same beatdown. same loss of career. has happened alot actually.

[The Big Dunn]

The worst part for me is the fact that people seemed to completely ignore Garcia cheating on the scales and talk as if he won fair and square just because they don't like Haney's dad and the Loma decision.

Boxing can be so infuriating. Why are their weight limits if fighters can come in heavy and still fight by paying a fine if the fight is high profile enough? What's the point of any rules if the **** doesn't always get enforced depending on who's doing the cheating? Now this PED thing comes to light and there are still people commenting as if it's no big deal and a legit win. It's frustrating as hell.

Great post.

[kafkod]

Beterbiev has never tested positive for anything so it's not a spin.

Every one who fails a drug test is considered guilty until they prove otherwise.

You're not entitled to the benefit of the doubt when you fail multiple drug tests. It's the literal scientific proof of the drugs in your system.

Testing positive basically just means that you provide a test result that could indicate PED abuse and needs investigating.

Benefit of the doubt basically just means that you are given a chance to prove that you didn't cheat before you are banned. If there was no benefit of the doubt you would be banned immediately, without any need for an investigation first.

[jas]

Makes sense why he couldnt make weight. This ped increases muscle mass

Honestly feel like no contest isnt enough

Should be a dq win for haney

[IronDanHamza]

Testing positive basically just means that you provide a test result that could indicate PED abuse and needs investigating.

Benefit of the doubt basically just means that you are given a chance to prove that you didn't cheat before you are banned. If there was no benefit of the doubt you would be banned immediately, without any need for an investigation first.

No, not at all. Testing positive means that you categorially have a banned substance in your system. It doesn't "indicate" PED abuse, it scientifically proves PED use.

How it got there is a different story, and realistically how it got there is irrelevant. You have a banned substance in your system, which is illegal. The fighter is responsible for what goes in their body. And on top of that, it is impossible to prove whether or not someone used them intentionally or not, it's (educated) guess work at very best.

Which is why anyone who fails a drug test is not entitled to the benefit of the doubt. Even if the commission in use deems it "unintentional" (with no way of proving it) they'll still always have that black mark next to them for simply having the drugs in their system.

[kafkod]

No, not at all. Testing positive means that you categorially have a banned substance in your system. It doesn't "indicate" PED abuse, it scientifically proves PED use.

Not so. Many athletes have been banned for elevated levels of stuff like HGH and testosterone, which are not banned substances because they occur naturally in the body. It's the amount of the substance in their system that indicates cheating.

And even if they get popped for actual banned substances, they can be exonerated and cleared if they can prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that they didn't use it deliberately and took all reasonable precautions to avoid ingesting it accidentally.

[IronDanHamza]

Not so. Many athletes have been banned for elevated levels of stuff like HGH and testosterone, which are not banned substances because they occur naturally in the body. It's the amount of the substance in their system that indicates cheating.

And even if they get popped for actual banned substances, they can be exonerated and cleared if they can prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that they didn't use it deliberately and took all reasonable precautions to avoid ingesting it accidentally.

Synthetic HGH and Testosterone are both banned substances. Which is why if you test above the threshold you test positive for those substances, because they can only be reached by synthetic use, which are banned substances. So you're totally incorrect on that one.

Well you just stated the exact problem right there, as it's impossible to demonstrably prove beyond reasonable doubt that a PED wasn't used deliberately.

It's why failing a drug test leaves no benefit of the doubt on the person that's failed. There is no excuse for having a PED in your system. It's very easily avoidable.