Roach Worried About Miguel Cotto's "Dirty Tactics"

[Gabilan]

Cotto likes to body punch but what happens if he low blows numerous times even though it was unintentional? Should he not be penalize for it.

What happens if there is a clinch and Cotto just pick him up and slams him for no reason. And we know that Pac has been into unintentional headbutt before so Cotto should not take that as pure intentional. Why would Pac do that if he tends to take cuts also.

Of course he should be penalized. Nobody here is saying he shouldnt me man. Quit with the strawman arguments.

And regarding the so-called bodyslams ive already explained why they happened. Pac comes in with his head, yes, but he is not the type of fighter, like Urkal, Clottey, Mtagwa, that uses headbutts as an intentional strategy so that will not happen. Give it a rest.

[go1nbanana]

it would taint the victory a little bt but how much worse would it be if cotto was basically stopped from thrpwing body shots, which is his best punch, the entire fight...the victory for pac in that case would be even worse

who says to stop cotto from throwing body punch? he must remember tho that "above the belt" is body punch, and not to intentionally blow low lol

[Gabilan]

I don't think ring size matters to Cotto. The weight issue, Pac is not a natural ww. The catchweight just make the fight even. The venue, you meaning Las Vegas, it always has been the venue for big fights. Oh, i guess you want them to fight in New York, a Cotto backyard. So what about rematche clause, i am pretty sure that if the fight was closed and Cotto losses, he would like to rematch Pac as soon as possible. The judges, Pac has no control over there. The gloves, Pac wears Reyes and so does Cotto, whats the big deal about that.

You obviosly don't understand Cotto's style then. He will still close off the ring and bring the pain but a larger ring is to Pac's advantage. Pac is not a natural WW but he wants to fight with one and so he got Cotto's team to agree to a catchweight (which is all fine because both parties agreed to it) but it obviously to Pac's advantage that the fight not be with a 147 limit. Regarding the venue I agree with you. Regarding the rematch clause, Cotto didnt demand it, Pac's team did and he got that as well. And regarding the gloves its not the brand of the glove but the type. Again, in the end it will not make a difference but Roach's team demanded it and got it. And now the referee...

[go1nbanana]

Think harder then...I quote another poster (Cosmico) from two pages back:

"Roach got the ring size he wanted, the weight he wanted, the venue he wanted, the money he wanted, a rematch if pacmans loses wich is something that bob arum has always been against inmediate rematches, he is getting the judges he wanted and know he wants to choose the ref too?. I hope that cotto does come in top shape and beats Pac but I'm sure that they wil have an excuse too."

I would add that I am not mistaken the gloves being used are also the ones that Roach demanded (anybody can correct me if I am indeed wrong about that point)

these are all agreed upon by both parties, and not advantages to one side

[BRICKCITY81]

roah is just coming up with all this stuff because he is nervous and knows cotto is no chump. he wants the ref to pay more attention to cotto so pac won't end up in any kind of a bad situation. cotto loves the body and i feel bad for pac if he cant get out of the way of cotto's power. if he can't then he will crumble cuz i personall don't think he can take cotto's power. he barelyy to jmm's power.

[Gabilan]

these are all agreed upon by both parties, and not advantages to one side

I agree. But let's be real. Who has the power and leverage right now? Pac does and hence his people made demands that were met. Whether ultimately they will really be advantageous to Pac is in a way irrelevant; the point is that Pac's team believes they are advantages. I think they are wrong because Cotto will win either way. But the fact that Pac's people got everything they wanted and then we have to hear Roach complaining about this and that and basically demanding that the Cortez not be the ref and calling Cotto a dirty fighter is ridiculous and insulting. How about giving Cotto some respect for agreeing to everything (except the belt thing until he got received something in return) instead of denigrating him as a boxer.

According to your logic there is no such thing as a contract in which one party gains more (advantages). Nonsensical bro.

[edgarg]

I like how everyone who hates Cottos only bring up his low-blows, yet everyone in this sport has thrown accidental lowblows at their opponents at times in a fight. Cotto hit zab with some low-blows, but zab hit cotto with some low blows and so did Clottey. I'm white but this rican hate needs to stop, every boxer has thrown low-blows maybe by accident maybe on purpose. Who knows were not in the ring with them.

Look how much Sam Peter fouled W. Klitschko, with rabbit punches, low blows, shoulder take downs etc,

He was awarded 3 knockdowns, #1 from a deliberate rabbit punch, #2 from a push on Klitschko's shoulder, #3 from a barely missed or VERY slightly grazed wild swing, where Klitschko, in pulling back to evade it, bounced off the ropes onto one knee, and got up immediately ready to continue;

The BADLY handicapped ref Randy Neumann, was about as bad as the ref in the Emmanuel Augustus -Courtney Burton fight, where he took a point away from Emmanuel for spinning out of a clinch which was and is, PERFECTLY LEGAL.

Teddy Atlas had a row on TV with the local Boxing Commission guy who didn't seem to know ANYTHING at all about boxing rules.

This was almost the only time that I was able to have respect for Teddy. The other time is because of that charity he works so hard for, which commemorates his late father, and seems to do a lot of good for unfortunate people.

I got really fed up with him because, apart from being always wrong when picking a "winner", it seemed to be an indigenous custom to ask HIM about Tyson, when everyone was jumping on Tyson's back, after that very dubious "****" conviction.

Nobody seemed to know that Teddy was only an unpaid-assistant to the assistant, to the assistant-trainer in Cus D'Amato's gym when Tyson was a 15 year old kid. Teddy was about 19-20. As we learned later, Teddy was kicked out by D'Amato, because he threatened Tyson with a pistol, for showing unwelcome interest in Teddy's niece............. I think Teddy was around Tyson only a couple of weeks, doing nothing of any importance. I've read somewhere, and it could easily be true, that Teddy's whole ring experience was as an amateur boxer for about 9 fights, many of which he didn't win.

I don't know exactly how true it is, but it sounds logical............?????

Talk about a Soap-Opera ..................

[go1nbanana]

freddies really getting annoying; too much is too much already freddy. i was kidding when i said a couple of weeks ago how hes starting to show signs of the parkinson's desease but now i really think hes losing it. cotto's only fight to have hit a couple low blows was against judah. u cant name me another fight where cotto hit low blows. not even against margarito,mosley,gomez,quintana,jennings or clottey. so i dont know WTF freddie's talking about unless hes just trying to get in whoever ref's head & get him to take points away from cotto. in other words hes actually calling cotto a dirty fighter..infact i really do hope cotto low blows pac's ass ateast once just 4 making that comment. & knowing this idiot of freddy roach hell most likely go & try to get them to impose a new rule for low blows where the first time u low blow ur disqualified.....think im kidding? watch, hes already changed rules,got the wbo to rank pac in the top ten with only one fight at welter(oscar)& that fight wasnt even a championship fight. even had counterfeit belts made. & forced cotto to put the belt on the line even though its a catchweight fight. the thing that sux the most about waiting 5 more weeks till fight night are all the roach interviews.........

what are you talking about that he only did it with judah??? watch again...

cotto low blows against corley round 2 and 3 (where he did a chicken dance)

at least 3x against torres, round 2 and 3

these are fights he got really really in trouble

[edgarg]

If Cotto used dirty tactics such as low blows then Margarito's balls would've been scrambled eggs at the end of their fight cause he had Cotto hurt many times and I didn't see Cotto stopping his momentum with low blows. Dumb ASS joke coach, I'm really losing respect for this man because of this garbage.

Guys, stop and think for a minute. The ONLY way that a fighter can be hurt by a low blow is NOT directly in the testicles. The contoured metal cup is a guaranteed protector. I played cricket, and we had the same sort of protector, and I can tell you guys, that a fast pitched solid, rock-hard cricket ball can do far more damage can any fist, with or without a well padded glove. Just think about it.........

What is needed is a properly fitting abdominal protector, which won't shift. Most low blows which cause damage are below the beltline but above the cup, where there is padded protection but not a raised pad. And it's usually doubtful if the fighter has actually been hurt.

It's not like in the old days of boxing when that very same rule was made, because in those days, fighters had NO protection and no gloves-they used to PICKLE their hand in salt water, to toughen them.(gum shields were only invented in about 1915 and even then not every fighter had one. Some used to put cotton-wool between their teeth and upper lip, and missing or broken teeth were very common in fighters )

Remember Hopkins in the Calzaghe and other fights. He deserved an Academy Award.

[pugay_kamay]

I can see Roach's concern, but you cannot change the rules just to suit him. Cotto himself has been the victim of guys coming in with their heads and slicing him up. I mean if Roach gets away with this request, Cotto could also put one in saying if Manny darts in throwing the left hand recklessly and headbutts him causing a cut, should Manny be disqualified? The whole idea is preposterous.

Boxing is a brutal sport. Everyone involved knows the risks. The referee determines then what action to take from their existing playbook. The same rules apply to Manny and Cotto. You cannot have tailored rules or conditions for a particular fighter. Once the bell rings, everything is to be considered equal. Manny is awesome, but Roach is really starting to annoy me. Cotto is already facing a handicap with the weight. Just let the guys fight.

Dude, Roach didn't said he wants to change the rules, what he said was to IMPLEMENT the rules unbiasedly. The ref should be vigilant enough to check&warn boxers who are doing illegal tactics in the ring w/o siding to another boxer.

We all know that low-blows happens accidentally but on a regular basis this is already intentional. So the refs should act on this coz that's why they are in the ring with the boxers to implement the fair & unbiased rules of boxing in the 1st place.