What are some fights where legendary fighters heavily fouled.

[IronDanHamza]

"Probably like 5 times a round on average if I had to guess."

60 holds total we going by your guestimation

Ok? Where are you lost? That was a guess. You know what a guess is, right?

I guessed that because that's a low amount, as I knew there wasn't much holding in that fight.

Turns out after counting it was much less, at 24 in total and an average of 2 per round.

What part aren't you understanding?

[dan-b]

when kenny bayless was breaking them apart, floyd was still pulling the arm. that was weird.

Yes, that was very obvious in some of the earlier rounds too. Pacquiao actually looked at Bayless a few times, but eventually realised the Champion of Las Vegas was going to get away with whatever he wanted as usual.

[IronDanHamza]

Yes, that was very obvious in some of the earlier rounds too. Pacquiao actually looked at Bayless a few times, but eventually realised the Champion of Las Vegas was going to get away with whatever he wanted as usual.

Do you consider 24 clinches in a 12 round fight to be a lot?

Because, it’s really not.

[djtmal]

That was a guess. You know what a guess is, right?

I?

Yes and when you realized 60 holds in a 12 round fight was excessive, you had to save your boy and count each hold like your life depended on it.

[djtmal]

Do you consider 24 clinches in a 12 round fight to be a lot?

Because, it’s really not.

You really don't get it do you Floyd Boy.

"when kenny bayless was breaking them apart, floyd was still pulling the arm. that was weird"

It was the way this guy was holding. You so focused on the amount of times.

[dan-b]

You really don't get it do you Floyd Boy.

"when kenny bayless was breaking them apart, floyd was still pulling the arm. that was weird"

It was the way this guy was holding. You so focused on the amount of times.

Plus the context of when/why the clinches were initiated is relevant. Floyd did it because he steadfastly refused to exchange punches (which many, quite understandably, consider part of boxing).

IronDanHamza understands this - he's far from ****** - but is being disingenuous because he has some ideological commitment to defending Floyd's honour.

This isn't the only fouling Floyd did in the fight, he pushed Pacquiao's head down as an alternative method to avoid exchanges also. These were persistent themes throughout his career to varying degrees. Had he not fought the entirety of the last part of his career in his home city of Las Vegas with a US referee he may have been called on it more.

[djtmal]

Plus the context of when/why the clinches were initiated is relevant. Floyd did it because he steadfastly refused to exchange punches (which many, quite understandably, consider part of boxing).

IronDanHamza understands this - he's far from ****** - but is being disingenuous because he has some ideological commitment to defending Floyd's honour.

This isn't the only fouling Floyd did in the fight, he pushed Pacquiao's head down as an alternative method to avoid exchanges also. These were persistent themes throughout his career to varying degrees. Had he not fought the entirety of the last part of his career in his home city of Las Vegas with a US referee he may have been called on it more.

There was a round where Mayweather, actually leaped out from the corner to grab and hold Pacquaio from about 5 feet away.

What part of the game is that.

[PBR Streetgang]

Any fight with Bernard Hopkins. The fights with Antwun Echols and Robert Allen come to mind.

[IronDanHamza]

Plus the context of when/why the clinches were initiated is relevant. Floyd did it because he steadfastly refused to exchange punches (which many, quite understandably, consider part of boxing).

IronDanHamza understands this - he's far from ****** - but is being disingenuous because he has some ideological commitment to defending Floyd's honour.

This isn't the only fouling Floyd did in the fight, he pushed Pacquiao's head down as an alternative method to avoid exchanges also. These were persistent themes throughout his career to varying degrees. Had he not fought the entirety of the last part of his career in his home city of Las Vegas with a US referee he may have been called on it more.

The 24 clinches include the moments he pushed down, if you take those out then it’s even less. Any time any kind of holding/clinching happened was 24 times.

The reason any fighter holds is to stop exchanges.

You can’t honestly believe that 24 clinches in a 12 round fight is excessive?

[IronDanHamza]

Yes and when you realized 60 holds in a 12 round fight was excessive, you had to save your boy and count each hold like your life depended on it.

60 times in a 12 round fight is not excessive. That’s the whole point.

It turns out it was less than half of that. Meaning it was even less excessive than I had originally thought.

Where are you lost?