What are some fights where legendary fighters heavily fouled.

[IronDanHamza]

Correct. Excessive holding doesn't just mean the number of instances. Akinwande was disqualified against Lewis for effectively refusing to fight.

So now you're actually going to compare Akinwande against Lewis, a fight where he held NONE STOP to Mayweather vs Pacqauio? Are you for real?

What you're describing is a made up fantasy. Is there even an instance where Floyd held Pacquaio for more than 5 seconds? Or didn't break immediately when told to? The answer is no, there's not.

Why are you avoiding the question? Do you honestly believe that 24 instances of holding in a 12 round fight is excessive?

[dan-b]

So now you're actually going to compare Akinwande against Lewis, a fight where he held NONE STOP to Mayweather vs Pacqauio?

That wasn't what I did. You know that but are just engaging in boring theatrics, typical of forum/social media exchanges. Relax, no one else is reading or cares about who "wins".

Why are you avoiding the question? Do you honestly believe that 24 instances of holding in a 12 round fight is excessive?

I'm not. I just haven't counted them personally yet and I'm disinclined to trust your accounting.

[djtmal]

If it was James Toney that held 60 times in a fight, Iron Dan would be singing a different song

[IronDanHamza]

**** me, had to go back to page 2 to find the origins of this and TF y'all talking.


May Vs Pac, for those who missed it. This is all about May v Pac.


Personally I didn't find it excessive. The only person, imo, who should be given **** for clinching ins the huggernaut Wlad.


That said if you did, cool, i don't actually give a **** actually, but, Hamza in another I'll go pages bitches debate. This dude's a goddamn unstoppable juggernaut. Right or wrong, I don't actually give a ****. I'm just appreciating the game.




Also, I forgot which fight it was but since y'all brought him up my first thought seeing Pac's name was that time he hit some jabroni in the ears with both hands at the same time clear and blatantly. Was that a JMM fight? Probably, *****s fought like a million times.

It's not excessive. That's not an opinion it's an objective fact. 2 clinches a round on average is not only not excessive it's seldom. There isn't even a single round where he held 5 times, some rounds he didn't even hold a single time.

You mention Wlad, he held more times in 2 rounds vs Povektin than Floyd did in 12 vs Pacquaio. That is excessive. I'd be here all day if I was to list fights were there was more holding in it than Floyd vs Pacquaio.

It's like I said to you before, I struggle with nonsense.

There has been fights where Floyd has held abit too much for my liking I.e Ricky Hatton but both of those have ugly holding tactics at times so I wasn't surprised.

Floyd-Pacquaio isn't one of them.

This make believe notion that he leaped across the ring to hold and held on for extended periods when being told to break is just patently false, fantasy nonsense.

[dan-b]

If it was James Toney that held 60 times in a fight, Iron Dan would be singing a different song

It's pure ideology with Mayweather die hards. They won't even concede the smallest thing. They've built themselves up into this tower where they think Mayweather represents all that's pure and good about boxing and will defend it to the death.

[IronDanHamza]

It's pure ideology with Mayweather die hards. They won't even concede the smallest thing. They've built themselves up into this tower where they think Mayweather represents all that's pure and good about boxing and will defend it to the death.

More baseless ad hominem nonsense. I've critiqued Floyd plenty, he certainly does his fair share of fouls. If we were to talk about his elbow/forearm use for example then that would be a very glaring example of where he overtly bends the rules in many of his fights.

This however, is nonsense. You know it's nonsense because you refuse to address the actual point.

Do you honestly believe that 24 instances of holding in a 12 round fight is excessive?

[Marchegiano]

It's pure ideology with Mayweather die hards. They won't even concede the smallest thing. They've built themselves up into this tower where they think Mayweather represents all that's pure and good about boxing and will defend it to the death.

You have a way of calling me out that's both passive and insulting but not personally insulting.

I'm a Mayweather die hard. May the GOAT bro.

[IronDanHamza]

That wasn't what I did. You know that but are just engaging in boring theatrics, typical of forum/social media exchanges. Relax, no one else is reading or cares about who "wins".



I'm not. I just haven't counted them personally yet and I'm disinclined to trust your accounting.

Well what were you doing then by bringing that up when those two fights are polar opposites to one another in regards to holding?

Oh really? So you think the actual number is not 24 and more closer to what? What would you consider excessive holding then before you count them up?

[IronDanHamza]

If it was James Toney that held 60 times in a fight, Iron Dan would be singing a different song

I don't recall James Toney holding ever in a fight. That's not his style of fighting.

I don't know why you're stuck on this 60 times. You can read the part where he held 24 times right? Not 60.

But if he was to hold 60 times in a fight then no that wouldn't be excessive holding.

If he was hold 24 times in a fight like Mayweather did vs Pacquaio then that would be considered objectively the opposite to excessive.

[IronDanHamza]

...and you made the claim that floyd held average 5 times a round...totalling 60 holds...

"Probably like 5 times a round on average if I had to guess."

You took an educated Floyd Boyd guess

Mate, are you retarded?

Yes, I made a GUESS, that it was probably around 5 per round on average. Because that's low, and I knew that it was low.

I then went and COUNTED the exact number of clinches and the number was 24.

Which part of this aren't you understanding?

Are you going to provide evidence that Floyd leaped across the ring from 5 week away to hold Pacquaio, or not?