Joe rogan ranting after Ngannou blow out -UFC champions would beat boxing champs in a real fight t

[BKM-]

Yeah of course, it has since evolved with muay thai, wrestling etc.. But the arguments were always that a mma figher would always beat a boxer in a "real fight" when that's simply not the case, there are way too many variables and scenarios to consider, like weight, height, reach, experience, proximity of a fight etc...

None of those variables would favor a boxer, it would only stack the odds more in favor of the MMA fighter. A boxer is simply too limited.

Literally the only way to make a scenario more favorable to a boxer is to eliminate other fighting methods altogether. Untill you basicely end up with just boxing. THEN they can win. LOL.

[BKM-]

I think in some instances we can point to MMA fighters probably being better than boxers in "real" fights but take the best pros from both sides and it would be extremely difficult for any MMA fighter to even get close enough against a legit puncher.

Btw people acting like MMA fighters are all world class wrestlers probably havent watched MMA for the last 10 years. Yes there is the odd Khabib or Cormier but most MMA fights descend into punch fests with the odd kicks. Give a top level boxer a year to learn a few tricks and theyd start KOing guys in MMA.

To even get close enough to a puncher? You realize legs are long than arms right? Never heard of kicks? You realize wrestling teaches you to shoot from even further away, going underneath any potential danger from a puncher? And don't tell me that out-dated "the boxer would land a punch right as they attacked" joke. Boxers can't even stop fellow boxers from grabbing them and grappling, and these people aren't even grapplers.

It is amazing to me how you boxing purists can get things so incredibly wrong. Like seriously if I tried as hard as I could to be incorrect at something I wouldn't be as bad as boxing purists trying to claim boxers would win real fights.

[TMLT87]

Btw people acting like MMA fighters are all world class wrestlers probably havent watched MMA for the last 10 years. Yes there is the odd Khabib or Cormier but most MMA fights descend into punch fests with the odd kicks.

Thats not because the level of wrestling got worse, its because across the board fighters are so good at defending takedowns (or quickly getting back to their feet) nowadays that it takes a higher level of wrestling skill to be able to get people down than it used to. Wrestling requires a lot of exertion compared to striking so for a lot of guys its not really worth wasting the energy if theres a good chance it will be defended anyway. It used to be that having a good wrestling (or to a lesser extent BJJ) base was like a cheat code in MMA, now you see high level wrestlers getting knocked off in regional promotions.

[kafkod]

Everybody. And I can assure you that boxing fans are far more insecure about this than MMA guys. That is why this Francis Ngannou saga became as significant as it did.

That's why you see all the big talk in order to hide the insecurity when they realize this is a limited game of set rules where you can only use a small part of your body as a weapon.

The 10oz padded boxing gloves saved Ngannou's life. Without the gloves, that last punch by AJ would have put him to sleep permanently.

[ELPacman]

What Joe fails to ever mention is that boxing is a form of combat. One that you need to master to get good. You can't blame AJ for taking the fight when Ngannou wanted it as well. He thought he could be competitive. You can't knock Ngannou afterwards because he lost in a combat sport that he's clearly not good enough in.

He might know all kinds of other techniques that suit him well in MMA, but he's not good enough in the boxing world to truly compete against its elite. At least not ones that can punch and don't turn up sleepy.

Why can't we just call it how it is and not have to turn it into an argument of which sport is better. Not to mention in a real fight, a boxer is going to throw most technique out the window and anything goes. That includes them MMA boys. MMA, has its own ruleset and that would go out the window. It would be a wild swing/grab, knee, elbow and do whatever to incapacitate your opponent.

[kafkod]

MMA fanboy rogan being butthurt.

Who the **** cares whether they would get f Up in a real fight or not..

The dude has the mental maturity of a 12 year old.

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Ufc fans like to pretend that MMA fights don't have rules and a referee.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Rogan is right - no boxer will beat Ngannou in the cage. Someone just cut up a load of old things he said. Boxing is a sport, so is MMA - they both have rules. People need to lose the ego thing.

[tonysoprano]

Rogan is a moron. Too much of a ***** to box and MMA is for bums who can’t box. That’s a reality they don’t want to admit to themselves.

if Jon Jones could box you think he’s earning 500k a night when he could be earning 15m a fight? Of course not.

[tonysoprano]

Ufc fans like to pretend that MMA fights don't have rules and a referee.

I never seen any real fight end in a kimura or arm bar. Truth is these guys don’t have real fights because half their stufff doesn’t work on the street.

Go to the ground on the street and you get your head stomped into the pavement. Not mounted and wrestled.

[HandsofIron]

None of those variables would favor a boxer, it would only stack the odds more in favor of the MMA fighter. A boxer is simply too limited.

Literally the only way to make a scenario more favorable to a boxer is to eliminate other fighting methods altogether. Untill you basicely end up with just boxing. THEN they can win. LOL.

Yeah, I get the tired argument of jack of all trades, master on none but my point is that when it comes down to purely hand to hand striking (not kicks, knees, elbows) the boxer always wins, it's simply the best. An MMA fighter can't do all that wild, crazy, flailing and swinging vs a classically trained boxer, he's going to get timed, countered and slept each time.

I mean where was Ngannou's famous, bull rush attack that steamrolled everyone he's ever faced? It was nonexistence last night.

Joshua ended the debate and proved that Boxing is better than MMA striking, and that fight will now become a case study for future generations in all combat sports.