Joe rogan ranting after Ngannou blow out -UFC champions would beat boxing champs in a real fight t

[Madison Boxing]

these guys worship gordan ryan but jon jones and tom aspinall would demolish him in a 'real fight', does that mean BJJ sucks too?

[TMLT87]

they watch WHO wins in a sport. A street fight has so may variables it's irrelevant to speculate on. One proximity- what range does the fight start..

But do you not think its probably a logical conclusion that OVERALL MMA fighters are going to have the advantage in most situations where everything is allowed, because they train for the widest range of scenarios?

Whether that really matters to you or effects your enjoyment of whatever combat sport you're watching is obviously totally a personal thing. I dont think AJ could win that Glory HW tournament today or walk into the UFC and beat those guys in the HW fight tonight, but that doesnt mean what he does in his own arena is less impressive than what they do. He just faced the biggest puncher in MMA history, a guy who was never once wobbled in a 10 year MMA career, a guy who was steamrolling opponents with his boxing in MMA in borderline cartoonish fashion, and he absolutely ****ing decimated him like he was a random guy off the street. What he did to Ngannou showed why boxing will always have a place. Its a limited sport but that allows it to be a highly specialized and refined one. There will always be some appeal to seeing who the best guys are when it comes to just hands.

Anyway, if people dont like hearing the "in a real fight" shyt the easy solution would be for these fights to just stop happening. Obviously if guys from other sport keep coming over to boxing rules and putting themselves at disadvantages its going to keep getting brought up. If boxers kept straying over to MMA and losing you would hear plenty of "but i'd **** you up in a boxing ring" comments, thats literally what Claressa Shields just did.

[Atypicalbrit]

Joe Rogan is that annoying little kid at school who's been friends with the big hard guy since kintergarden and is always talking reckless because he's protected.

STFU Joe, it doesn't really matter who goes into a "dark room" with you it won't be you coming out lad.

[deathofaclown]

I mean, there's probably a element of logic to it, of course, MMA guys practice more diverse skills.

but even that has its limits. You can't pull someone's eye out in MMA, can't bite their nose off etc etc. I know that's extremities but the point is valid.

An anything goes street fight goes just as much beyond the rules of boxing as it does MMA, it just depends on how ruthless you want to be.

An MMA guy can grapple you like they do in an MMA gym, fine, but you might be grappling a guy in a real fight that will thumb your eye out, something you're not gonna get in the octagon.

So really the logic is a flawed one. Yeah an MMA beats a boxer in a real fight under MMA rules, but a real fight isn't MMA rules. Are you gonna keep grappling someone who is sinking their teeth into your nose when you do or pulling your eye out?

[TMLT87]

I mean, there's probably a element of logic to it, of course, MMA guys practice more diverse skills.

but even that has its limits. You can't pull someone's eye out in MMA, can't bite their nose off etc etc. I know that's extremities but the point is valid.

An anything goes street fight goes just as much beyond the rules of boxing as it does MMA, it just depends on how ruthless you want to be.

An MMA guy can grapple you like they do in an MMA gym, fine, but you might be grappling a guy in a real fight that will thumb your eye out, something you're not gonna get in the octagon.

So really the logic is a flawed one. Yeah an MMA beats a boxer in a real fight under MMA rules, but a real fight isn't MMA rules. Are you gonna keep grappling someone who is sinking their teeth into your nose when you do or pulling your eye out?

I do agree with the overall sentiment, obviously street fights are very volatile. Really most of the time they are barely even "fights" because theres usually sucker punching, weapons, multiple opponents etc involved rather than two guys in a clear understanding that they're in 1 v 1 unarmed combat.

BUT...stuff like eye gouging, biting etc compliments grappling a LOT. If there was some fight to the death Roman colosseum type **** that allowed it you would probably see those things most commonly utilized by whoever is capable of taking the dominant ground positions. Back in the day when headbutts and knees to the head of a grounded opponent were legal that was generally when you'd see them used effectively too.

[deathofaclown]

I do agree with the overall sentiment, obviously street fights are very volatile. Really most of the time they are barely even "fights" because theres usually sucker punching, weapons, multiple opponents etc involved rather than two guys in a clear understanding that they're in 1 v 1 unarmed combat.

BUT...stuff like eye gouging, biting etc compliments grappling a LOT. If there was some fight to the death Roman colosseum type **** that allowed it you would probably see those things most commonly utilized by whoever is capable of taking the dominant ground positions. Back in the day when headbutts and knees to the head of a grounded opponent were legal that was generally when you'd see them used effectively too.

Indeed, totally agree, but that's why I said it depends how ruthless you want to be.

An MMA guy might have the skills, but might not truly have that nastiness in them like some other people. That's why it's a broad statement to say an MMA guy beats anyone else in a street fight, it really depends on the nature of the person too.

But generally speaking, it would be fair that an MMA guy certainly has advantages over everyone else. If you've no experience in grappling and they manage to get hold of you, there's not much you can do except get ruthless in that situation and hope they're not about that level of nastiness or hope you cause some damage quickly that deters them. If they return the favour in terms of fighting dirty before you do anything significant to them, then you're probably ****ed.

[Sparked_26]

I mean, there's probably a element of logic to it, of course, MMA guys practice more diverse skills.

but even that has its limits. You can't pull someone's eye out in MMA, can't bite their nose off etc etc. I know that's extremities but the point is valid.

An anything goes street fight goes just as much beyond the rules of boxing as it does MMA, it just depends on how ruthless you want to be.

An MMA guy can grapple you like they do in an MMA gym, fine, but you might be grappling a guy in a real fight that will thumb your eye out, something you're not gonna get in the octagon.

So really the logic is a flawed one. Yeah an MMA beats a boxer in a real fight under MMA rules, but a real fight isn't MMA rules. Are you gonna keep grappling someone who is sinking their teeth into your nose when you do or pulling your eye out?

Agreed I hate the street fight argument anyway.

Animals fight in the street.

[Stab Master Arson]

When MMA dorks say a "real fight" or a "street fight" what they actually mean is an MMA fight.

No **** the boxer loses in an MMA fight.

[automaton89]

But do you not think its probably a logical conclusion that OVERALL MMA fighters are going to have the advantage in most situations where everything is allowed, because they train for the widest range of scenarios?

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Boxing is to striking what wrestling is to grappling. So not necessarily. You would be surprised how nullified someone can be by fast hands in chain sequences. You drown in BJJ, and in boxing you get flustered.

there are kicking strategies that can lock down a boxer but you would need to be a certain type of kicker who uses it like a jab

[BKM-]

I mean, there's probably a element of logic to it, of course, MMA guys practice more diverse skills.

but even that has its limits. You can't pull someone's eye out in MMA, can't bite their nose off etc etc. I know that's extremities but the point is valid.

An anything goes street fight goes just as much beyond the rules of boxing as it does MMA, it just depends on how ruthless you want to be.

An MMA guy can grapple you like they do in an MMA gym, fine, but you might be grappling a guy in a real fight that will thumb your eye out, something you're not gonna get in the octagon.

So really the logic is a flawed one. Yeah an MMA beats a boxer in a real fight under MMA rules, but a real fight isn't MMA rules. Are you gonna keep grappling someone who is sinking their teeth into your nose when you do or pulling your eye out?

This is one of those old, out-dated arguments. The biting/eye gouging angle does not work.

For one it would completely favor the MMA fighter to use dirty tactics since he can use his body far better than a guy who only knows how to punch.

Secondly, these tactics have been used in old vale tudo fights and 1-Again, the grappler with the top position is the one benefitting from these tactics not the guy on the bottom.

And 2- These moves are not fight enders. Guys have been legally attacked to the groin in the old fights. Did not end the fights.

I can even show you a fight where a huge guy viciously attacks a smaller guy's eyes so severely it left that man permanently blind in one eye and impaired vision in the other. Guess what happened in the fight though? The ******* who gouged the eyes STILL LOST. By finish.

Adrenaline overcomes flesh wounds. Limb breaking, choking and concussions from strikes cannot. No boxer defeats an MMA fighter in a real fight like that. Boxers are punchers, not fighters.