Comments Thread For: Devastating Anthony Joshua Wipes Out Francis Ngannou in Two Rounds

[TMLT87]

Therefore the transition of a Mixed Martial Art fighter, coming into boxing 'Is the natural progression, and where both combat athletes should fight in a cross over fight'.

There isnt really a fair way for these crossover fights to happen. MMA rules puts the boxer in a situation where they have to face a bunch of stuff they havent trained for. Boxing rules puts the MMA guy in a situation where they cant use most of the stuff they train and the only thing they can use is something the other guy puts ALL of his training time into.

If these crossover fights are meant to prove what is the "superior" combat skillset or something, then MMA is the ruleset that allows the entirety of both guys skills to be used, so is the best measure of that. The fact that it'd be putting boxers at a major disadvantage because they dont train for the possible scenarios they could face, kind of answers the question.

[PRINCEKOOL]

There isnt really a fair way for these crossover fights to happen. MMA rules puts the boxer in a situation where they have to face a bunch of stuff they havent trained for. Boxing rules puts the MMA guy in a situation where they cant use most of the stuff they train and the only thing they can use is something the other guy puts ALL of his training time into.

If these crossover fights are meant to prove what is the "superior" combat skillset or something, then MMA is the ruleset that allows the entirety of both guys skills to be used, so is the best measure of that. The fact that it'd be putting boxers at a major disadvantage because they dont train for the possible scenarios they could face, kind of answers the question.

I think a boxing match is the closest to a fair contest, that can happen 'Boxing is crucial part of mixed martial arts'.

Mixed Martial Arts fighters train in many disciplines, because that is what their entire sport is about.

Mixed Martial Martial Arts fighters are effectively, combat sports version of Track and Field Decathlete's.

And throughout history, there have been Olympic decathlete's who were really great in individual events 'Good enough to win individual Olympic titles'.

Jackie Joyner Kersee won he Olympic Gold in both the heptathlon and individual Long jump event during the 1988 Seul Olympics.

Francis Ngannou was kind of that type of fighter 'You could see that, maybe he would have the ability to compete in boxing'. And I personally believe that, he has already proven that he can compete in boxing to a certain level 'But Joshua stylistically was just a very difficult fight for him'.

Anthony Joshua has effectively beat Francis Ngannou at his own game 'A stand up fight, and he has obliterated him inside 2 rounds'.

It is the worst type of loss, that he could of suffered in boxing 'And could carry over into Mixed Martial Arts. I am talking from his competitors perspective, they have just witnessed this supreme athlete being obliterated'.

Note: I think in the future, here and there they may still be cross over fights 'Because striking and boxing is a part of mixed martial arts'.

I think the notion that, boxing and mixed martial arts are two entirely different sports needs to stop 'I actually think that narrative is promoted more by boxers'.

Francis Ngannou vs Anthony Joshua 'Is not like Michael Phelps, challenging Usain Bolt to a 100m race'.

That is also way overall Anthony Joshua deserves credit 'Joshua beat Ngannou in a stand up fight. Joshua even instigated a clinch, and nullified Ngannou's work on the inside'.

I have not really got a issue with the crossover fights 'Especially if they are real legitimate fights, between two combat sport athlete's'.

When Ngannou was matched vs Fury 'I did not involve myself much in discussions, regarding the fight. But I knew that Fury at some point in the fight, was going to make a unforced error giving Ngannou a opportunity to land his power'.

Ngannou and Joshua are actually very similar type of fighters 'They both have good balance, neither of them are clumsy fighters. Solid boxing fundamentals, brute strength and power'.

I think Francis Ngannou overall has proved that he can box 'His performance vs Fury, does not just disappear'.

Joshua himself even said that he and Ngannou shared similar attributs 'They are both strong in the same area's of the game'.

But Joshua in his career, has been forced to move away from his strongest attributs 'And focus intensely on other area's of his game'.

Kiltschko vs Joshua 'Was one of the peak fights which displayed brute force Joshua'. After this fight Joshua started to focus more on trying to out box fighters, and develop what I like to call skill for skill boxing. And then after losing to Ruiz Junior I loss? Joshua took that focus on improving his skill for skill boxing to a very intensity level'.

Joshua was criticized for this, and people were frustrated 'The peak of that development, was most likely reached during Joshua vs Usyk II. Which I personally regard as the highest level boxing match up skill for skill of this era' Joshua fought Uysk at his own game twice and made it competitive.

Joshua since losing to Uysk 'Through experience, has most likely understood that he has needed to merge the two area's and natures of his game. Integrate them more whenever he fights'.

Francis Ngannou has gained from the sport of boxing, he proved he can box vs Fury 'Joshua was just a stylistically difficult fight for him' etc.














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[TMLT87]

I think a boxing match is the closest to a fair contest, that can happen 'Boxing is crucial part of mixed martial arts'.

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But what exactly is meant to be contested in these fights? what are the results supposed to prove?

[PRINCEKOOL]

But what exactly is meant to be contested in these fights? what are the results supposed to prove?

As I said to you awhile back, it is the Mixed Martial Art fighters who have historically always made the challenge to boxers

It is very rarely the other way around 'Mike Tyson at the peak of his career, or even in the late 90's was not concerned with what Ken Shamrock was doing'.

The contest is? Can a mixed martial arts fighter 'A combat athlete who trains in multiple disciplines. Can that fighter beat a boxer, under the rules of Marquess of Queensberry'.

Boxing is a part of mixed martial arts 'So at some point, there are potentially always going to be fighters who believe they can invade the sport of boxing'.

I think you just need to accept, that a great mixed martial arts fighter 'Who's best area of his game is boxing, has been obliterated in boxing'. Ngannou has had one great performance vs Fury, and now he has been obliterated by Anthony Joshua'.

Formula 1 is seen as the pinnacle of motor sport 'Even though we have many different type of motor sport categories'. We have Rally Cars that are required to race in snow, storms, and over many different type's of terrain, you have World endurance racing where cars are racing for up to 24 hours'.

But still people ask the question? Can Valentino Rossi step into a formula 1 car and compete? Can a Rally car driver step into a formula 1 car and compete?

And it is the same in combat sports, I have been over this before with you 'Boxing historically has been the pinnacle of combat sports'.

For whatever reason, that is the way society has developed 'I have made posts upon this subject before more in-depth'.

Note: You understand quite clearly what is being contested? If you understand what a boxing match is 'Then you understand what Francis Ngannou vs Anthony Joshua was a contest to decide'. Ngannou was regarded as a supreme athlete in mixed martial arts, who best attribut of his mixed martial arts game was his boxing'.

So Ngannou has invaded the sport of boxing, performed great vs Tyson Fury 'But now he has been obliterated by Anthony Joshua'.

Just accept it, and don't hide behind any narrative that Boxing and Mixed Martial Arts are two complete different sports etc.

[TMLT87]

The contest is? Can a mixed martial arts fighter 'A combat athlete who trains in multiple disciplines. Can that fighter beat a boxer, under the rules of Marquess of Queensberry'.

How the **** is that a remotely meaningful contest? what does it prove? that boxers are better boxers than MMA fighters?

A meaningful contest would be something that tested who would win in a situation where both sides can use the entirety of their respective skillsets without restriction. Because that would prove which sport had the better fighters and which skillset was ultimately more effective, something that would actually have some value and meaning.

Mike Tyson wasnt concerned with what Ken Shamrock was doing but two of the three biggest stars in boxing currently just fought Ngannou and Floyd fought Conor. Does that maybe tell you something about the dynamic shift?

The only thing boxing is the pinnacle of these days is offering millions of dollars for MMA fighters, Youtubers and 60 year old retired boxers to immediately step over 99+% of the active boxing talent pool and start main eventing PPVs. Something I never thought i'd see and its a ****ing shame.

[PRINCEKOOL]

How the **** is that a remotely meaningful contest? what does it prove? that boxers are better boxers than MMA fighters?

A meaningful contest would be something that tested who would win in a situation where both sides can use the entirety of their respective skillsets without restriction. Because that would prove which sport had the better fighters and which skillset was ultimately more effective, something that would actually have some value and meaning.

Mike Tyson wasnt concerned with what Ken Shamrock was doing but two of the three biggest stars in boxing currently just fought Ngannou and Floyd fought Conor. Does that maybe tell you something about the dynamic shift?

The only thing boxing is the pinnacle of these days is offering millions of dollars for MMA fighters, Youtubers and 60 year old retired boxers to immediately step over 99+% of the active boxing talent pool and start main eventing PPVs. Something I never thought i'd see and its a ****ing shame.

Boxing is a meaningful sport, and boxing contests are meaningful competitions 'That is why it has historically been the pinnacle of combat sports'.

Ngannou invaded boxing 'He's had one good fight vs Fury, and now he is just been obliterated by Joshua inside 2 rounds'.

Ngannou has never been hurt or decked in mixed martial arts 'With a kick, elbow, punch, knee. But he has just been completely decimated by Anthony Joshua'.

Boxers don't care about Mixed Martial Art fighters until 'Those mixed martial fighters, starting challenging them'.

If mixed martial art fighters, would just focus on fighting in their fight organisations 'Then boxers would just carry on fighting competitors from their global sport'.

Francis Ngannou is a mixed martial fighter, that was promoted as a supreme athlete 'Who was impregnable to physical attacks, and the strongest area of his game is boxing'

He has just suffered the worst loss of his entire combat career 'You can't hide behind the excuse that boxing and mixed martial arts are two entirely different sports'.

It is not really a big surprise if a mixed martial arts fighter, performs well in boxing 'Because they are mixed martial arts fighters, I think it is actually very concerning when they struggle to compete'.

Note: The only reason why these fights happen, is mainly because of mixed martial arts fighters 'Wanting to challenge boxers. You know this, and I have seen other posters making this observation'.

I believe the crossover fights will continue, whenever a mixed martial art fighter 'Believe's that their boxing game is strong enough to invade boxing'.

I am not quite sure why, you are so upset? Ngannou wanted to challenge himself, and a aspect of his martial arts game 'Boxing'.

You are upset because, I think you regard these mixed martial arts fighters as super hero's 'I respect Francis Ngannou, he is great combat sports athlete. But he has just been obliterated and suffered the worst loss of his entire combat career' etc.

[Slimpack]

Josh just did what the fraudy Fury couldn't do in ten rounds.

[TMLT87]

Boxing is a meaningful sport, and boxing contest are meaningful competitions 'That is why it has historically been the pinnacle of combat sports'.

Ngannou invaded boxing 'He's had one good fight vs Fury, and now he is just been obliterated by Joshua inside 2 rounds'.

Ngannou has never been hurt or decked in mixed martial arts 'With a kick, elbow, punch, knee. But he has just been completely decimated by Anthony Joshua'.

Boxers don't care about Mixed Martial Art fighters until 'Those mixed martial fighters, starting challenging them'.

If mixed martial art fighters, would just focus on fighting in their fight organisations 'Then boxers would just carry on fighting competitors from their global sport'.

Francis Ngannou is a mixed martial fighter, that was promoted as a supreme athlete 'Who was impregnable to physical attacks, and the strongest area of his game is boxing'

He has just suffered the worst loss of his entire combat career 'You can't hide behind the excuse that boxing and mixed martial arts are two entirely different sports'.

It is not really a big surprise if a mixed martial arts fighter, performs well in boxing 'Because they are mixed martial arts fighters, I think it is actually very concerning when they struggle to compete'.

Note: The only reason why these fights happen, is mainly because of mixed martial arts fighters 'Wanting to challenge boxers. You know this, and I have seen other posters making this observation'.

I believe the crossover fights will continue, whenever a mixed martial art fighter 'Believe's that their boxing game is strong enough to invade boxing'.

I am not quite sure why, you are so upset? Ngannou wanted to challenge himself, and a aspect of his martial arts game 'Boxing'.

You are upset because, I think you regard these mixed martial arts fighters as super hero's 'I respect Francis Ngannou, he is great combat sports athlete. But he has just been obliterated and suffered the worst loss of his entire combat career' etc.

I'm not upset, i'm just asking you, that, in a "boxing vs MMA" context, what a boxing match is supposed to prove? that an elite boxer is better at boxing than an MMA fighter who is good at boxing in an MMA setting? is that something that really needed to be affirmed? is it a meaningful victory?

The MMA fighters (and Youtubers, and old retired boxers etc etc) arent "invading" boxing, the red carpet is being laid out for them. if boxing wasnt giving people with 0-0 records immediate multi million dollar paydays, PPV main events and fights with world champions this wouldnt be happening. The sport has allowed itself to become a clown show in a bid to stave off waning casual interest. We are now living in an era where most of the biggest fights that happen in a commercial sense partially or fully involve people who arent actual active boxers.

[Toffee]

I'm not upset, i'm just asking you, that, in a "boxing vs MMA" context, what a boxing match is supposed to prove? that an elite boxer is better at boxing than an MMA fighter who is good at boxing in an MMA setting? is that something that really needed to be affirmed? is it a meaningful victory?

The MMA fighters (and Youtubers, and old retired boxers etc etc) arent "invading" boxing, the red carpet is being laid out for them. if boxing wasnt giving people with 0-0 records immediate multi million dollar paydays, PPV main events and fights with world champions this wouldnt be happening. The sport has allowed itself to become a clown show in a bid to stave off waning casual interest. We are now living in an era where most of the biggest fights that happen in a commercial sense partially or fully involve people who arent actual active boxers.

We're in an era where people will pay to watch people who are celebrities in a boxing event.

They'll also watch celebrities eat a kangaroo's arsehole in the jungle, or take the kids to school and argue with their wife, or go in a dancing competition.

Basically a huge percentage of people are idiots who will watch celebrities regardless of what they do. Crossover fighting is just Dancing with the Stars for combat fighters.

I'm an MMA fighter and Joshua just knocked me the fk outta here!

Boxing, meanwhile, is doing just fine. And Anthony Joshua looked amazing when he could have looked ordinary. There's no other way to judge his performance.

[TMLT87]

Anthony Joshua looked amazing when he could have looked ordinary. There's no other way to judge his performance.

Of course. I was very impressed and surprised with the way he handled business. I thought he'd probably win but not in that fashion. Out of all the crossover fights so far that was the one where the levels were most obvious. AJs reflexes, how sharp his shots were, how quickly he made Ngannou pay for mistakes etc. I'm hoping probably in vain that with the way it played out it at least puts an end to any crossovers at THAT level happening anymore, but we'll get ****ing Ngannou/Wilder in May or something.....