Comments Thread For: Devastating Anthony Joshua Wipes Out Francis Ngannou in Two Rounds

[Smash]

Ngannou would be as quickly crushed by Wilder....or Ortiz, as he was by Joshua.

Have you learned nothing?

its not long ago u were giving ngannou the big build up as being worthy because he was a true trained boxer from his early years

[Willow The Wisp]

its not long ago u were giving ngannou the big build up as being worthy because he was a true trained boxer from his early years

He certainly is just that.
He's no Karate or Jujitsu or Judo or Sambo or Muay Thai fighter, and he’s never wrestled in competition even once.
So, that not me. It's just me providing information.

Ngannou boxed under MMA rules against Stipe, Cain, Junior, Overeem, Arlovski, etc. And he beat em' ALL, in spite of their non-boxing talents.

But that's a far cry from a championship level professional like Joshua or Fury when they train for a fight.

We're all learning. It's a slow, ponderous process; but we're getting there.

[TheOneAboveAll]

Ngannou would be as quickly crushed by Wilder....or Ortiz, as he was by Joshua.

Have you learned nothing?

You might not be giving sufficient credit to AJ. I'm hearing lots of people saying that AJ restored order and balance in the universe by doing what any boxer should do to any MMA fighter. The problem is that AJ isn't any old boxer nor is Ngannou any old MMA fighter. I reject the notion that the Fury fight was a fluke or that Fury simply didn't train for that fight. Francis showed obvious flaws that a pure boxer could take advantage of, but not all pure boxers have the balls or the skills to do what AJ did, so its not any kind of certainty in my mind that all other HWs can do the same thing to Francis; especially ones who might be less fundamentally sound than him (Wilder). Having said that, it makes no sense at all for Francis to fight anyone who's not an A-list star in boxing because there are, in fact, many other lower tier guys who could beat him easily for a lot less money and legacy value (Parker, Dubois, Sanchez, etc, etc). IMO, Francis should fight one more boxing match, against the Bronze Bomber. It's a 50/50 fight IMO and it can still sell.

[Willow The Wisp]

I had no problem with Ngannou straightening out Fury during the pre-fight conference. These two guys made that conference entertainnig by jawing back and forth. Besides, Ngannou didn't say anything that wasn't demonstrably true. On the street or in any other fight not constrained by boxing rules, he would without a doubt permanently injure and possibly kill Tyson Fury. Ngannou reasonably argued that he should have won their fight, and Fury retorted by hilariously warning Francis from the stands that he was going to give him "another" hiding. Fury is so completely devoid of integrity and talks so much **** that he cannot even recognize the absuridty of his own words.

Really?
What would Ngannou do to Fury on the street?

[Willow The Wisp]

You might not be giving sufficient credit to AJ. I'm hearing lots of people saying that AJ restored order and balance in the universe by doing what any boxer should do to any MMA fighter. The problem is that AJ isn't any old boxer nor is Ngannou any old MMA fighter. I reject the notion that the Fury fight was a fluke or that Fury simply didn't train for that fight. Francis showed obvious flaws that a pure boxer could take advantage of, but not all pure boxers have the balls or the skills to do what AJ did, so its not any kind of certainty in my mind that all other HWs can do the same thing to Francis; especially ones who might be less fundamentally sound than him (Wilder). Having said that, it makes no sense at all for Francis to fight anyone who's not an A-list star in boxing because there are, in fact, many other lower tier guys who could beat him easily for a lot less money and legacy value (Parker, Dubois, Sanchez, etc, etc). IMO, Francis should fight one more boxing match, against the Bronze Bomber. It's a 50/50 fight IMO and it can still sell.

I give tremendous credit to AJ, for everything he's accomplished, including all 4 fights that have brought him back to the forefront and silenced the silly, fickle fans.

You appear to be an AJ guy, and have much to be excited about.
I don't view Fury's condition or preparation for the Ngannou 10 rounder as a subject for debate, however.
Fleshy and casual, he did just enough to win.
Soon, we'll have the chance to see if he turns up looking better for a real fight, against a real major league fighter, and thus, we will have our answer.

Imagining that Wilder would require greater "Fundamentals" to knock out Francis Ngannou, or that Luis Ortiz is at the level that allows him to serve as a tune-up for Ngannou speaks volumes.

[Willow The Wisp]

Boxing is a part of Mixed Martial Arts 'Ngannou fighting Joshua and Fury, is not like Michael Phelps challenging Usain Bolt to a 100m race'.

People who try to make excuses for Mixed Martial arts fighters, being beaten by boxers 'Need to all stop hiding behind, the notion that Boxing is a completely different sport'.

Boxing and Mixed Martial Arts are both combat sports 'And boxing is a discipline Mixed Martial Arts fighters are required to train'.

Francis Ngannou coming into boxing, is more similar to a Olympic Decathlete, deciding to compete in the individual 'Track and Field events i.e Daley Thompson challenging Carl Lewis to a 100m race during the 80's'.

I don't personally rate any Mixed Martial Art fighter, that highly in terms of pure athlete talent 'Not to the level of a Olympic decathlete, but I believe that analogy describes the differences between Boxing and Mixed Martial Arts'.

Francis Ngannou major strength in mixed marital arts, is his boxing 'From my understanding, Ngannou is no expert in any specific martial art. And his actual strongest martial art discipline was boxing'.

I stated in the lead up to this match up, that Ngannou could potentially suffer the worst beat down of his entire combat career.

And I actually believe that, being brutally ****** out by Joshua 'Not with a sustained beat down, but with with single punches? That sort of loss could be very damaging to Ngannou fighting career'.

Ngannou's entire game, and aura of intimidation 'Is that he is this supreme athlete with herculean strength, who is impregnable to physical attacks'.

Anthony Joshua has just inflicted serious damage upon that herculean aura of intimidation 'This damage will potentially, carry over into the mixed martial arts world'.

Whether it be professional boxers or mixed martial art fighters 'They have just witnessed Ngannou, being completely decimated'.

Were was the dominance of Ngannou's herculean strength, when both Joshua and Ngannou clinched on the inside? For me that was the most impressive part of Joshua's performance i.e Joshua in points of the fight, had to instigate a clinch and wrestle Ngannou on the inside.

Ngannou was unable to fight out of the clinch, and was therefore nullified 'I actually made comments towards a poster on here, stating that he should not be surprized if Ngannou is unable to bull Joshua about on the inside'.

I never rated Ngannou as the best athlete in this match up, there is no evidence for this 'Joshua athletic exploits are well documented'.

Anthony Joshua before he turned professional competed in a competition called 'Superstars'. This was a competition which consisted of various Olympic Athletes all competing against one another, in a vast array of athletic and fitness disciplines.

The events consisted of all the main fundamental track and field events 'Which are essentially a test of pure athleticism'. The sprint events, the Middle Distance Running events, the jump events, and all the throwing events.

There was also swimming events, cycling events and the traditional gym based exercise assessments 'Strength endurance via calisthenics'.

Anthony Joshua won the entire event, at the conclusion of the competition 'Anthony Joshua proved that he was the best overall athlete. Joshua competed against Olympic triathletes, middle distance athletes, Olympic Swimmers, Olympic High Jumpers.

So coming into this fight, I personally regarded Joshua has the more proven overall athlete 'Or at least he could definitively compete with Ngannou'.

Note: This the worst loss of Ngannou's combat career 'If he would of been beaten by Joshua over 10 rounds, he is still leaving the fight knowing that his durability withstood the test of Joshua's power'.

But analysing the fight, there was actually no area of the fight 'Were Ngannou appeared to be the superior fighter'. In area's of his game vs Fury 'Ngannou was superior to Tyson Fury, such as being able to bull Fury on the inside'.

Ngannou was not really able to impose his brute strength on Joshua, the same way he did vs Fury 'That for me, the best part of Joshua's performance'.

Joshua has only really developed this area of his game recently 'Typically he was a boxer, who liked to avoid the clinch. Which is actually not a bad trait, but it is a valuable rough house skill being able to wrestle on the inside and disrupt your opponents work'.

Francis Ngannou for me, can clearly box 'I don't buy into this narrative, that he has no idea what he is doing'. Francis Ngannou may well continue to fight on in boxing, I personally would not have a issue with this'.

Francis Ngannou pushed Tyson Fury in a close fight 'A fight were I believe Ngannou won. All the statistics of the fight show that Francis Ngannou beat Tyson Fury over 10 rounds'.

Ngannou landed the most power punchers, he inflicted the most damage and he scored a knock-down.

Anthony Joshua stylistically was just a more difficult fight, for the reasons I have documented in my first posts within this thread.

Very good post

[Willow The Wisp]

Tbh all things considered he made the right decision with this foray into boxing even if he retires completely now. Hes 37, had knee surgery a couple of years ago and the UFC HW division has got several dangerous looking fresh challengers while he was away who he would have had to face. In his last UFC fight he had to turn wrestler because he was getting outstruck, and fortunately for him he was facing a guy who, while a striking prodigy, was very green to MMA at the time and probably the only guy in the division with worse grappling than him. So theres a decent chance he would have been losing in MMA by now too, only he wouldnt have made $30 mil doing it.

A good post.
However, I wouldn't use Ngannou’s age, nor his surgeries in the context of his failures in trying to transition to the big money rules.
He's been a truly amazing fighter, and he still is.

No excuses. I beleive that This Version was better equipped for the step up than any MMA fighter ever.

Remember that he went to grappling against kickboxer Gane only because he blew out his knee. He won anyway, of course.

I personally don't see what he would have to concern himself with in Spivac, Almeida, Pavlovich or Aspinal in the UFC, but I'd love to see him smash up Jon Jones quite a lot; though I beleive that while TKO Group Holdings could afford Ngannou's services if they wanted a household name back in the ranks; they would opt not to try, given all the years spent selling their product as "Ultimate", and in light of Ngannou's loss to Joshua.

For the "MMA is Better" folks, who've called professional Boxing "pillow fights" (and I'm not saying that you represent them!), I say "Now sc**** your indestructible champion off the floor, and here's your pillow, have a nice sleep".

Maybe they can again coax James Toney in to help balance the narrative?

[TheCell8]

yeah but fury went to long reigning champs klits backyard and beat him pretty easy while AJ got dropped and went hard fight with an older vlad plus fury went to the states to face prime wilder, which AJ would not do, u didnt mention that tho

The Wlad fight was on of the top 3 worst fights in HW history.

The numbers after 12 rounds: Klitschko 52/231 23% | Fury 86/371 23%

The fact that you're bringing up this terrible fight as a crowning achievement for Fury is embarrassing. Kltischko was 40 years old when he fought both, but AJ's performance was much more impressive and he actually stopped him.

Prime Wilder is also way overrated. We've seen now that he can't even beat Joseph Parker.

[Smash]

The Wlad fight was on of the top 3 worst fights in HW history.

The numbers after 12 rounds: Klitschko 52/231 23% | Fury 86/371 23%

The fact that you're bringing up this terrible fight as a crowning achievement for Fury is embarrassing. Kltischko was 40 years old when he fought both, but AJ's performance was much more impressive and he actually stopped him.

Prime Wilder is also way overrated. We've seen now that he can't even beat Joseph Parker.

i think klit was 38 when he fought fury and 2 years later for AJ

[TheOneAboveAll]

I give tremendous credit to AJ, for everything he's accomplished, including all 4 fights that have brought him back to the forefront and silenced the silly, fickle fans.

You appear to be an AJ guy, and have much to be excited about.
I don't view Fury's condition or preparation for the Ngannou 10 rounder as a subject for debate, however.
Fleshy and casual, he did just enough to win.
Soon, we'll have the chance to see if he turns up looking better for a real fight, against a real major league fighter, and thus, we will have our answer.

Imagining that Wilder would require greater "Fundamentals" to knock out Francis Ngannou, or that Luis Ortiz is at the level that allows him to serve as a tune-up for Ngannou speaks volumes.

You'll revise your expert opinion yet again after the Fury-Usyk fight. So certain you are once the fight is over, but does it ever match up to what you thought before? Fury being fleshy and 'casual' isn't any kind of anomaly. He's always fleshy and he looks sharp only about half the time, yet you are convinced that he didn't train a day for Ngannou only because his performance doesn't make sense in your version of reality (that Fury is some kind of ATG). Fury's a lazy guy as champions go and 80% of his legacy is beating a guy who throws one punch. If Wilder - Ngannou comes off, bet some money on Ngannou.