Comments Thread For: Devastating Anthony Joshua Wipes Out Francis Ngannou in Two Rounds

[automaton89]

I always stated that this fight, was stylistically a more difficult fight for Francis Ngannou to prepare for and fight than Tyson Fury.

For all of Tyson Fury's abilities and talent 'Anyone who has watched his entire career, know that Fury is innately a extremely clumsy fighter, his boxing fundamentals are not so great and he has the tendency to produce unforce errors at a high frequency at times even when he is not under intense pressure'.

Tyson Fury is similar to Amir Khan 'Were he can be boxing a great technical fight, but then suddenly his technique will just go out the window. In almost all of Tyson Fury's top level fights, there are always moments of complete technical calamity'.

That type of fighter, was always going to present Francis Ngannou 'With a opportunity to land his power'.

And ultimately that is what happened when Fury, just decided to wade forward vs Ngannou 'Square up to him as if he was opening the front door to his house, then BAM Fury was decked'.

Tyson Fury produced almost this exact same move and unforced error vs Deontay Wilder 'In the their fight. And that is what lead to Wilder decking Fury in that fight'.

People can mock Anthony Joshua, we know all the narratives that the media and certain sections of the boxing community like to endorse.

But regardless of what people like to endorse, Anthony Joshua is the most experience active Heavyweight in the sport at fighting World to Elite level Heavyweights.

Joshua on average when he wins a fight 'Wins 90 to 95% of the rounds'. And historically it has been extremely difficult for his opponents to win rounds against him consistently.

The only fighters who were able to win rounds consistently against him were 'Ruiz Junior I, Kiltschko, and Uysk'. Joshua on his worst night was still competitive vs Ruiz Junior I and he did avenge that loss effectively wining all of the 12 rounds during their rematch. Joshua was competitive vs Uysk in both fights, especially the second fight were his effort was the most improved out of the two fighters. And of course Anthony Joshua beat Wladimir Kiltschko in the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years'.

April 29th 2017 'That was the night when the Heavyweight Division was conclusively taken into a new dynasty'.

Francis Ngannou vs Anthony Joshua 'In order to win, Ngannou would have to put more effort into forcing a unforced error from Joshua'.

Joshua is a Olympic Champion, former two time World Heavyweight Champion 'And in retrospect, those 24 rounds of battle vs Oleksandr Uysk have given Anthony Joshua invaluable experience'.

Oleksandr Uysk's entire game, is to force his opponents into making unforce errors 'Out box them, score points and beat them up'.

Anthony Joshua fought Okeksandr Uysk at his own game twice back to back 'Both of those fights were competitive'. Joshua in his career was already a proven pure boxer before then, but for me? Those two fights, were skill for skill the highest level boxing match ups that have occurred during this era.

For me personally, I enjoyed the Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury trilogy more 'The brutality, the passion and competitiveness'. But in terms of pure technical boxing 'Joshua vs Uysk II, is the highest level match up skill for skill that has taken place during this Heavyweight era'.

Joshua was just beaten by the better fighter on that night 'There was nothing wrong with Joshua's game plan, and nobody can watch the fight and say? Joshua was making mistakes, and producing unforced errors'.

Of course Francis Ngannou has power, and I still believe that his boxing is ability is not bad 'People need to also stop making the excuse, that Mixed Martial Arts and boxing are entirely different sports'.

Boxing is apart of Mixed Martial Arts 'Francis Ngannou vs Anthony Joshua, is not the same as Michael Phelps challenging Usain Bolt to a 100m race'.

Francis Ngannou vs Anthony Joshua 'Is more similar to Daley Thompson challenging Carl Lewis, to a 100m race during the 1980's' i.e Daley Thompson was a decathlete, and a Olympic Champion.

I don't really rate mixed martial art fighters on the same level as Olympic Decathlete's, but the analogy I have made 'Is so people understand Boxing and Mixed Martial Arts are not two entirely different sports'.

Note: This is also why I believe Anthony Joshua deserves big credit, and it was a great performance. Ngannou definitively has power 'And still coming into this fight, nobody really understood the level of his ability'.

Francis Ngannou for me also deserves respect, because? His performance vs Tyson Fury 'Did create sparks in the Heavyweight division'. Tyson Fury may not have been in his absolute best condition, but he did train for Ngannnou 'Stylistically Ngannou was just competing in a fighter in Fury, who stylistically was a better match for him'.

To conclude: The battle between the top-4 Heavyweights to see who will be the last man standing of this era continues 'Anthony Joshua has just beaten Francis Ngannou by knock out inside 2 rounds, which is a victory that builds his momentum and charge towards fighting for another Heavyweight title or the Undisputed titles' etc.

And let's not forget that WALLIN didn't do much better and he's been boxing since he was a kid.

[automaton89]

That was no fight
Hardly any punches were thrown in anger.

That's being smart.

[TheWinners]

clearly not impossible since FURY won by stealing rounds with one or two punches. Ngannou could have won that fivht

I said almost impossible. And could've would've should've. He lost. We've yet to see any of these MMA fighters actually win a boxing match in these cross over fights.

[BodyBagz]

I know I almost fell asleep watching that one, but, a win is a win regardless.

W > L, no doubt

[BodyBagz]

That's being smart.

It shocks me how that sad performance gets Fury no criticism.
Any other fighter would be called out on it.

[TMLT87]

. We've yet to see any of these MMA fighters actually win a boxing match in these cross over fights.

To be fair, the way they're being match up they're not SUPPOSED to win. They're being made an example of, or thats how its meant to go anyway. Boxers coming over to MMA arent being thrown to the wolves like that for the most part. Claressa Shields for example is fighting random nobodies with losing records while Ngannou is fighting Fury and AJ.

[Roadblock]

To be fair, the way they're being match up they're not SUPPOSED to win. They're being made an example of, or thats how its meant to go anyway. Boxers coming over to MMA arent being thrown to the wolves like that for the most part. Claressa Shields for example is fighting random nobodies with losing records while Ngannou is fighting Fury and AJ.

Thats the thing the MMA guys come to fight the best boxers that's never going to work, the ones that do good in MMA are better than average working their way up, no great boxer in peak form has ever stepped in the cage, 2 UFC greats have and failed badly, Id like to see a real top level in prime boxer puncher do it just to see how it goes.

[PRINCEKOOL]

And let's not forget that WALLIN didn't do much better and he's been boxing since he was a kid.

Boxing is a part of Mixed Martial Arts 'Ngannou fighting Joshua and Fury, is not like Michael Phelps challenging Usain Bolt to a 100m race'.

People who try to make excuses for Mixed Martial arts fighters, being beaten by boxers 'Need to all stop hiding behind, the notion that Boxing is a completely different sport'.

Boxing and Mixed Martial Arts are both combat sports 'And boxing is a discipline Mixed Martial Arts fighters are required to train'.

Francis Ngannou coming into boxing, is more similar to a Olympic Decathlete, deciding to compete in the individual 'Track and Field events i.e Daley Thompson challenging Carl Lewis to a 100m race during the 80's'.

I don't personally rate any Mixed Martial Art fighter, that highly in terms of pure athlete talent 'Not to the level of a Olympic decathlete, but I believe that analogy describes the differences between Boxing and Mixed Martial Arts'.

Francis Ngannou major strength in mixed marital arts, is his boxing 'From my understanding, Ngannou is no expert in any specific martial art. And his actual strongest martial art discipline was boxing'.

I stated in the lead up to this match up, that Ngannou could potentially suffer the worst beat down of his entire combat career.

And I actually believe that, being brutally ****** out by Joshua 'Not with a sustained beat down, but with with single punches? That sort of loss could be very damaging to Ngannou fighting career'.

Ngannou's entire game, and aura of intimidation 'Is that he is this supreme athlete with herculean strength, who is impregnable to physical attacks'.

Anthony Joshua has just inflicted serious damage upon that herculean aura of intimidation 'This damage will potentially, carry over into the mixed martial arts world'.

Whether it be professional boxers or mixed martial art fighters 'They have just witnessed Ngannou, being completely decimated'.

Were was the dominance of Ngannou's herculean strength, when both Joshua and Ngannou clinched on the inside? For me that was the most impressive part of Joshua's performance i.e Joshua in points of the fight, had to instigate a clinch and wrestle Ngannou on the inside.

Ngannou was unable to fight out of the clinch, and was therefore nullified 'I actually made comments towards a poster on here, stating that he should not be surprized if Ngannou is unable to bull Joshua about on the inside'.

I never rated Ngannou as the best athlete in this match up, there is no evidence for this 'Joshua athletic exploits are well documented'.

Anthony Joshua before he turned professional competed in a competition called 'Superstars'. This was a competition which consisted of various Olympic Athletes all competing against one another, in a vast array of athletic and fitness disciplines.

The events consisted of all the main fundamental track and field events 'Which are essentially a test of pure athleticism'. The sprint events, the Middle Distance Running events, the jump events, and all the throwing events.

There was also swimming events, cycling events and the traditional gym based exercise assessments 'Strength endurance via calisthenics'.

Anthony Joshua won the entire event, at the conclusion of the competition 'Anthony Joshua proved that he was the best overall athlete. Joshua competed against Olympic triathletes, middle distance athletes, Olympic Swimmers, Olympic High Jumpers.

So coming into this fight, I personally regarded Joshua has the more proven overall athlete 'Or at least he could definitively compete with Ngannou'.

Note: This the worst loss of Ngannou's combat career 'If he would of been beaten by Joshua over 10 rounds, he is still leaving the fight knowing that his durability withstood the test of Joshua's power'.

But analysing the fight, there was actually no area of the fight 'Were Ngannou appeared to be the superior fighter'. In area's of his game vs Fury 'Ngannou was superior to Tyson Fury, such as being able to bull Fury on the inside'.

Ngannou was not really able to impose his brute strength on Joshua, the same way he did vs Fury 'That for me, the best part of Joshua's performance'.

Joshua has only really developed this area of his game recently 'Typically he was a boxer, who liked to avoid the clinch. Which is actually not a bad trait, but it is a valuable rough house skill being able to wrestle on the inside and disrupt your opponents work'.

Francis Ngannou for me, can clearly box 'I don't buy into this narrative, that he has no idea what he is doing'. Francis Ngannou may well continue to fight on in boxing, I personally would not have a issue with this'.

Francis Ngannou pushed Tyson Fury in a close fight 'A fight were I believe Ngannou won. All the statistics of the fight show that Francis Ngannou beat Tyson Fury over 10 rounds'.

Ngannou landed the most power punchers, he inflicted the most damage and he scored a knock-down.

Anthony Joshua stylistically was just a more difficult fight, for the reasons I have documented in my first posts within this thread.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Thats the thing the MMA guys come to fight the best boxers that's never going to work, the ones that do good in MMA are better than average working their way up, no great boxer in peak form has ever stepped in the cage, 2 UFC greats have and failed badly, Id like to see a real top level in prime boxer puncher do it just to see how it goes.

Your point does not really make much sense Roadblock.

Boxing is apart of Mixed Martial Arts 'Boxing is a discipline they are required to train'.

Therefore the transition of a Mixed Martial Art fighter, coming into boxing 'Is the natural progression, and where both combat athletes should fight in a cross over fight'.

Francis Ngannou challenging Tyson Fury, and Anthony Joshua 'Is more similar to a Daley Thompson, challenging Carl Lewis to a 100m race during the 80's'.

Daley Thompson was a Olympic Decathlete i.e he competed in many track and field disciplines. Carl Lewis was predominately a 100m, 200m, and Long Jump Athlete 'Both of these athletes were Olympic Champions'

Boxers are not required to train kicking, elbows, Wrestling or any other Martial Art.

Note: I think the media and especially people within boxing, need to stop trying to make out that Mixed Martial Art fighters have no idea how to box 'Once people endorse that sort of narrative, they prepare a ready made excuse for those fighters'.

In reality Anthony Joshua has just beaten Francis Ngannou at his own game 'Apparently Ngannou has the most powerful punch ever recorded? Ngannou from my understanding has never really been hurt or decked within mixed martial arts'.

Anthony Joshua in a stand up fight, has just obliterated him inside 2 rounds 'Under combat rules, according to Ngannou was protecting them both'.

I respect Francis Ngannou, he is a great combat athlete 'But I stated leading into this fight, that certain folk in his team were completely spooked'.

This is possibly the worst loss Ngannou could of suffered into a boxing ring etc.

[TMLT87]

Francis Ngannou for me, can clearly box 'I don't buy into this narrative, that he has no idea what he is doing'. Francis Ngannou may well continue to fight on in boxing, I personally would not have a issue with this'.

I think people tend to be fickle about things and are ready to throw him under the bus now after a bad loss. Personally before he ever boxed or there was even rumours of him boxing I believed he could probably knock off a few guys in the top 30 and I still do assuming his chin hasnt been ruined by that. Granted I never expected he would be as competitive with Fury as he was, and then conversely off the back of that fight I never expected that AJ would go through him that quickly. So I guess its hard to say exactly where he fits because its two wildly different performances against two guys who are way above the level he should have been boxing at in the first place.

I dont think he has a bad chin, in spite of how this played out. But he had very little defensive ability against a big puncher so his chin was all he had to rely on while eating flush shots. I still think hes got power as well, but his offence never even got a chance to come into play in this fight because AJ was just so sharp in terms of his timing, distance, reflexes etc and with a lot of power on the end of it.

Anthony Joshua has just inflicted serious damage upon that herculean aura of intimidation 'This damage will potentially, carry over into the mixed martial arts world'. Whether it be professional boxers or mixed martial art fighters 'They have just witnessed Ngannou, being completely decimated'.

Agreed. There is a good chance his chin is straight up cracked which is obviously not gonna help him going forward. And beyond that the knock to his confidence + his opponents knowing it can be done doesnt help either. A few weeks back PFL announced that his next MMA fight would be against a guy called Renan Fereira, not particularly highly regarded or anything but 6'8 260lbs and can crack. At the time it seemed like a laughable mismatch but now it suddenly seems like a much riskier fight than it was before. If he loses in his own sport at that level its basically completely over for him. Likewise his window in boxing is going to be limited now, he might get a Wilder fight but that would be the last really high profile big payday fight he will get out of boxing, other than that itd be smaller fights at a more manageable level for less pay than he walked away from in the UFC.

Tbh all things considered he made the right decision with this foray into boxing even if he retires completely now. Hes 37, had knee surgery a couple of years ago and the UFC HW division has got several dangerous looking fresh challengers while he was away who he would have had to face. In his last UFC fight he had to turn wrestler because he was getting outstruck, and fortunately for him he was facing a guy who, while a striking prodigy, was very green to MMA at the time and probably the only guy in the division with worse grappling than him. So theres a decent chance he would have been losing in MMA by now too, only he wouldnt have made $30 mil doing it.