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  • Opportunity Knocks - How Decisively does Joshua have to beat Ngannou to satisfy his legacy?

    At the basic level, all fighters are cut from the same cloth, so the thinking goes. If a pro grade fighter from any full contact combat sport wants to cross over to apply his talents to another set of rules, it pays to know what you're getting into, and it's nessisay to train appropriately. Doing that much right, your natural fighting talent becomes the driver, and the challenge can often times be met.

    Just before a near 50 year old former boxer "Merciless" Ray Mercer stepped in with recently deposed, mid-late career UFC heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia, in the main-event of Adrenaline MMA III: Bragging Rights in Alabama back in June 2009, something odd happened.

    Regulation challenges from the Association of Boxing Commissions (ABC) forced the promotion to change the clash from a Boxing fight to a MMA fight, disclosing that Mercer had once been a top contender in Boxing, and Sylvia had to be allowed full use of his arsenal in order for the match to be fair. Notwithstanding that Mercer was 15 years Sylvia's senior, and fighting in his first non-scripted MMA fight.
    Mercer, always a good puncher, allowed the UFC champ a couple low kicks, then laid him out cold with one shot. It was settled in just nine seconds.

    But at the press conference prior to fight, Sylvia and Mercer agreed that "A fight is a fight".
    No truer words were ever spoken in combat sports.

    In his non-preparation for his non-title 10 rounder with another UFC champion, Francis Ngannou, world heavyweight champion Tyson Fury would have done well to bear those words in mind.
    Obviously fat, loose and playful; Fury nearly had his head handed to him, faced not with an MMA fighter from another discipline trying his hand at boxing; but a life-long Boxer who had applied his boxing skills adapted to the rules of MMA, and he had rolled all the best grapplers, wrestlers, kickboxers and martial-artists in the UFC up and smoked them. Moreover, Ngannou came in ready and determined.

    Had Fury lost that razor thin verdict, his plans for a huge belt unification showdown with Oleksandr Usyk would have to had been placed on hold, to make way for a redeeming title fight with Ngannou. It was a very close call.

    Now, we have another of the best heavyweights of this generation, 2-time multiple belt holder Anthony Joshua facing off against the upstart 2-sport superstar.
    In this, we'll be able to see how much of Fury's close call was attributable to Tyson Fury's lackadaisical approach, and how much was Ngannou 's actual boxing talent, honed in the cage against other hybrid warriors.

    My question is this:

    How good must Anthony Joshua look against Ngannou to bolster his legacy?

    We know that Ngannou can box pretty well, and punch great.
    He's got to be considered a dangerous opponent for anyone, regardless of the rules, so long as those rules allow him to Box.

    But Joshua, was thought to be building towards all-time greatness not so very long ago, as many observers saw him as a frontrunner among the three title claimants Fury, Wilder and Joshua at one point.
    Since then, he has suffered some deep lows and most recently, some new highs, and genuinely appears to have recaptured the form that made him the biggest sporting star in the UK.

    If A.J. looses this upcoming fight, he will no doubt suffer irreparable harm to his legacy, and possibly drop beneath Frank Bruno on the all-time rank of British Heavyweights, and below the Winner of the upcoming Wardley-Clarke clash in the current Domestic ratings; one has to believe.

    But should he win impressively, and knock Francis Ngannou spark out, or somethingvery close to that; he will have outdone his countryman Fury, and perhaps, restored his star status in full.

    How badly does Joshua have to beat this newcommer to satistfy you that he is indeed all that he was once thought to be?
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    He just has to win and be done with it. The image what he once was thought to be was mostly discarded when he got beat by stand in Ruiz, and especially he tarnished that image when he was running for twelve rounds in the second fight. Afterwards the 2 beatings he took from Usyk didn't help either.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Haka View Post
      He just has to win and be done with it. The image what he once was thought to be was mostly discarded when he got beat by stand in Ruiz, and especially he tarnished that image when he was running for twelve rounds in the second fight. Afterwards the 2 beatings he took from Usyk didn't help either.
      Do you think that if he fights a 0 - 1 (0) pro the way he fought Ruiz in their rematch, knowing that Fury didn't take Ngannou seriously and Joshua did, that this would actually HURT Joshua's reboot?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post
        My question is this:

        How good must Anthony Joshua look against Ngannou to bolster his legacy?
        Idk that he can look good enough to enhance himself to the avg fan. To some extent this fight is like if the #1 guy in a division was fighting a guy whos #43 ranked on boxrec or something along those lines. Its a lose lose situation for AJ. If he KO1's him with the first shot or 10-0's him on the cards he'll still have beaten a 0-1 guy to most fans.

        That said I think retroactively his legacy could be enhanced with this fight if Francis goes on to do something big like KO's Fury in a rematch for an example. And there is some **** measuring aspect to this fight with Fury since Francis dropped him & fought to a split decision with him that might lift up AJ a lil vs Fury with fans.

        How badly does Joshua have to beat this newcommer to satistfy you that he is indeed all that he was once thought to be?
        If he stops Francis, esp early, that would be impressive to me. Idk that it would make me think AJ is his old self, hes not past prime or that it makes much difference vs the Fury vs Usyk winner tho. The clock never turns back. Its likely we've seen AJ's best W's already.
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        • #5
          A win is a win. No need to overthink it.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Haka View Post
            He just has to win and be done with it. The image what he once was thought to be was mostly discarded when he got beat by stand in Ruiz, and especially he tarnished that image when he was running for twelve rounds in the second fight. Afterwards the 2 beatings he took from Usyk didn't help either.
            How did he "tarnish" his image by boxing superblly in the rematch? That's ridiculous. He's a boxer. He may have disappointed some fans by not going knockout crazy but it's boxing, and you're on a boxing forum. Does Fraudy get dissed for running around in Germany and winning the belts of 40 year old Wlad in a non-fight?
            Anyway, Joshua will again prove why Fury is ducking him by demolishing the mma guy. Fury will never, ever set foot in the ring with AJ. Worst thing Hearn ever did with AJ was allowing him to batter Fury in sparring - since then Fury knows he's beaten, and like the coward his father is, he won't fight.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by M312 View Post
              A win is a win. No need to overthink it.
              That's the mindset AJ should go into the ring with. Thinking too much about how good he may or may not be that day will do him few favors.

              Fans won't be as forgiving if he slips up tho, not that AJ should concern himself with that either.
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              • #8
                I think that A.J. has a big opportunity here to blow Ngannou away, show that he's not afraid of being aggressive against a puncher, and make his UK rival look silly in comparison.

                What is at risk for him, should he get dropped or eek out a close decision is Massive.
                Fury can always use the excuse, and a proper one, that he saw Ngannou as nothing but a spar.

                Joshua will not have that option. He's revitalized and ready. He needs to really, really impress IMO.

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                • #9
                  All AJ needs to do is what Tyson Fury was unable to do ... beat Francis Ngannou clearly without getting decked in the process.

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                  • #10
                    This fight is all risk with no possibility of a reward legacy-wise. If he takes him out easily this will reflect more negatively on Fury, who struggled with a fighter in his debut, than it will positively on Joshua. How you gonna get legacy points beating an 0-1 boxer?
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