Comments Thread For: Teofimo Lopez Wins Lackluster Decision Over Jamaine Ortiz in Close Fight

[MulaKO]

Which fighter pressed the action and which fighter landed the cleaner, more impactful blows? There weren’t many great shots or moments in the entire fight, but I don’t recall a single meaningful punch landed by Ortiz. I gave him one clear round, and two tie rounds. How anybody could give him the fight is beyond my belief and I am TOAA.

What meaningful things did Lopez land or do ?
If he cut the ring off I would give him much more credit cause then you have an argument that he was getting at Ortiz
Punching and hitting air is not credited which Lopez did very often
Not going to the body and slowing his opponent was just another thing that he couldn’t do properly
It just looked better in the Kambosos fight than it did yesterday
Listen , the fight was boring as fugh but no one outdid the other besides one guy getting frustrated and the other landing soft touches

[lilacp]

I can't help but laugh when I read so-called boxing fans saying here that ring generalship is meaningless. Go tell that to the ghosts of an Angelo Dundee or an Emanuel Steward and they will haunt your ass forever. There are damn rules when it comes to scoring a fight, that's how this **** works. Yeah, of course it's subjective, scoring boxing is damn subjective, as it's obvious from the ongoing debate about who won. Y'all are funny as hell.

[Stuntman Mike]

Like when he won the round by just throwing jabs ?
Those were hurtful , really ?
Listen , I ain’t comparing Floyd to anybody but you do get my point
There was times where Floyd was taking a round off , not getting hit and just pot shotting his opponent
My point is that was done in beauty and with purpose
Last night , Ortiz who is far from being any kind of Floyd , did something similar without the beauty of it and without hurting his opponent and without getting hit himself
Do I like it no , not at all
Was it boring , definitely boring
Did it show that Teo can’t cut the ring or hit someone on the move definitely

I honestly don't think it was

The guy ran and didn't put enough meat into his counters

I think I heard the punch stats were 78-80

If its that close and nothing dramatic happens with a punch on either side the guy thats coming forward deserves the nod

[MulaKO]

I honestly don't think it was

The guy ran and didn't put enough meat into his counters

I think I heard the punch stats were 78-80

If its that close and nothing dramatic happens with a punch on either side the guy thats coming forward deserves the nod

I respect that and I think we can agree there was no winner last night
My point is some rounds even though they were just touching , Ortiz won the round if we score it round by round
I’m no fan of it but when Floyd did it or forget him Winky would do it , it looked good and you could say he won but last night both fighters looked like crap
Haney would do the same just making it look better and much more natural
That is the difference and if it were the case people would be praising it

[Wacked_Out]

Dan Raphael scored it for Ortiz by a landslide “for imposing his style of fight”. Since when did not engaging and moving 100% of the time out of fear of getting clipped become a style that fighters choose to impose? I’m just about done reading or listening to what that biased dork has to say.

What gets me is all the people saying its up to the other guy to catch the runner. F-NO, why? And if you cant catch him then you dont know how to cut off the ring. BS. I say anyone even me could run and not get hit all night. Dont matter how much you try to cut off the ring if Im running away.

Im glad the judges arent constantly rewarding this anymore. There will always be jackasses who confuse hit and not get hit, with run around not getting hit.

[MulaKO]

What gets me is all the people saying its up to the other guy to catch the runner. F-NO, why? And if you cant catch him then you dont know how to cut off the ring. BS. I say anyone even me could run and not get hit all night. Dont matter how much you try to cut off the ring if Im running away.

Im glad the judges arent constantly rewarding this anymore. There will always be jackasses who confuse hit and not get hit, with run around not getting hit.

I guarantee you when a guy like Haney , who I’m no fan of , gets in there and touches him and gets out making it look more natural , people here will praise it to the highest regards
If Ortiz had more power and finesse nobody would be saying chit
For a guy with no power he must of touched him quite often for Teo to be marked up like he was

[Murray Kelm]

Ortiz didn't come in with enough name recognition to get the win against Teo with that type of performance, I'm pretty sure if Haney or Stevenson put in similar performance against Teo, both of them would get the nod.

[MulaKO]

Ortiz didn't come in with enough name recognition to get the win against Teo with that type of performance, I'm pretty sure if Haney or Stevenson put in similar performance against Teo, both of them would get the nod.

Well said and a very true statement
Not only but he would be praised as the next Floyd or Winky

[DeeMoney]

I see your point. Both guys had low outputs, but Ortiz was more consistent with his low output throughout the rounds even tho most of it was jabs IMO. Lopez, as aggressive as he was, wasn't really effective and didn't really do anything to change the tenor of the fight while spending most of it following Ortiz around waiting for an opening. Dudes complain that a guy moves and "runs" a lot, but knowing that, don't do anything to make him stop moving and force them to fight. It's all part of the game. All in all, this was one of those fights where you just flip a coin and call heads or tails the winner. Always difficult to judge a fight where both guys are playing cat and mouse and neither guy was all that effective at doing it. The money guy is always gonna get the benefit of the doubt. Just the way it is.

Yeah, I wouldve been fine with either guy moving. And I do respect a guy who can stick and move- hit and not be hit. I just hate how some default the impetus for action onto a given fighter (usually the agressor) when judging. As if being able to avoid conflict should be enough to win for the other hypothetical fighter.

[crimsonfalcon07]

I insist that you don’t know what you’re talking about if you think the point of boxing is to “impose your style on the other guy.” That’s as vague and subjective as the word ring generalship, which is pretty meaningless. You don’t win a fight by moving better or slipping punches better. You win a fight by hitting and hurting your opponent more than he hit and hurt you. If you happen to like dancing better there are other things for you to watch on the weekend. Teofimo could certainly have fought smarter last night, but he all but lunged at and tackled Ortiz all night long to try to make a fight. Jamaine Ortiz gets validation from fans like you that he’s fighting when he’s just running all night.

I'm not validating Ortiz, I'm saying that Teo needs to learn how to cut off the ring. If he wants to pretend he's great, that's an ESSENTIAL skillset that he clearly doesn't have. Didn't make adjustments all night. You don't see Naoya Inoue failing to corner his runners. You don't see Canelo or Beterbiev failing like that. Even David Benavidez catches up to the guys with this style.

It's wild to me that you don't see the inconsistencies here. Hit and hurt more than you get hit and hurt. How do you think you avoid getting hit and hurt? That's why defense is one of the scoring criteria.

I don't blame you for being disappointed, especially with Ortiz. And I don't blame you for preferring hard and clean punching to the other scoring criteria. But come on. I know you are one of the better posters on here. You're TOAA FFS. Try to avoid unwarranted assumptions and putting your disappointment with Ortiz on someone who is ALSO disappointed with the -700 favorite who can't do something as basic as cut off the ring.