Comments Thread For: Teofimo Lopez Wins Lackluster Decision Over Jamaine Ortiz in Close Fight

[crimsonfalcon07]

That fight was boring because of one person and it wasn’t Lopez.

Absolutely was Lopez. He should know how to cut off the ring against a mover at this point. This is now the third time he's faced an opponent like this and failed to walk them down, and it was entirely because he left the door to the right open all night. He only tried to meet him with a hook a handful of times, and when Ortiz was circling to his left, he didn't have a right waiting.

You want to tell me that someone truly great is allowed to not have something as basic as walking down the opponent in his arsenal?!

Or do you want to say that every opponent, even if out powered, should be engaging with Lopez on his own terms? He's gonna face this style a lot because of his own style. He should know how to deal with it by now.

Monster Inoue can still knock them out when they're on their bikes. Canelo still gets his offense off. Beterbiev still gets his off. Not Teo though.

[MulaKO]

Absolutely was Lopez. He should know how to cut off the ring against a mover at this point. This is now the third time he's faced an opponent like this and failed to walk them down, and it was entirely because he left the door to the right open all night. He only tried to meet him with a hook a handful of times, and when Ortiz was circling to his left, he didn't have a right waiting.

You want to tell me that someone truly great is allowed to not have something as basic as walking down the opponent in his arsenal?!

Or do you want to say that every opponent, even if out powered, should be engaging with Lopez on his own terms? He's gonna face this style a lot because of his own style. He should know how to deal with it by now.

Monster Inoue can still knock them out when they're on their bikes. Canelo still gets his offense off. Beterbiev still gets his off. Not Teo though.

Listen , it was boring as fugh but had Ortiz’s 13 punches or wtv ( lol) landed and hurt Lopez then no one would be crying
Floyd did it his whole fughin career just with more power and beauty
Lopez should just give more of his purse to the opponent and then put clauses that opponents must challenge him in the middle of the ring for two minutes , not move to the left and certainly no head movement allowed

[TheOneAboveAll]

Absolutely was Lopez. He should know how to cut off the ring against a mover at this point. This is now the third time he's faced an opponent like this and failed to walk them down, and it was entirely because he left the door to the right open all night. He only tried to meet him with a hook a handful of times, and when Ortiz was circling to his left, he didn't have a right waiting.

You want to tell me that someone truly great is allowed to not have something as basic as walking down the opponent in his arsenal?!

Or do you want to say that every opponent, even if out powered, should be engaging with Lopez on his own terms? He's gonna face this style a lot because of his own style. He should know how to deal with it by now.

Monster Inoue can still knock them out when they're on their bikes. Canelo still gets his offense off. Beterbiev still gets his off. Not Teo though.

This is not your sport. You don’t understand the point of it. One guy runs the whole night and you think he won while blaming the other guy who’s chased him every minute of the fight for making a boring fight. This is not your sport. You don’t understand the point of it.

[crimsonfalcon07]

This is not your sport. You don’t understand the point of it. One guy runs the whole night and you think he won while blaming the other guy who’s chased him every minute of the fight for making a boring fight. This is not your sport. You don’t understand the point of it.

I don't mind Teo winning because that was very lackluster and I don't really care. I had it a draw, or both of them losing. I do think if Ortiz had engaged more and clearly outlanded Teo he deserved the win more because he was in control of the engagements.

If you think following a guy around like a puppy and landing nothing of consequence is so great, I'm going to turn that around and tell you that this isn't your sport.

I do agree it was boring. I've thrown more punches in two rounds than either of them threw the whole fight.

But Teo needs to be able to do more than hang back and let people come to him. He clearly can't cut off the ring. It's HIS JOB to impose his style and will on the fight. That's the point of it all. Ortiz imposed his style instead. He could have done a lot more hitting with his moving, but he came with a perfectly good gameplan to expose Teo. He just doesn't have the power or volume to win.

I don't really like to watch that style myself, and it's certainly not how I fight either. But it's a legit style that boxers will inevitably face, especially if they have above average power, and it's their responsibility to know how to deal with it if they want to hang at the top levels.

Teo should absolutely be to blame for not having that level to his game, just as I blame Berlanga for not having that skillset.

And when Teo stopped chasing, it's not like Ortiz kept running. He stepped to Teo when he put himself in the corner. He stepped to Teo every time Teo stopped chasing.

You may not LIKE IT, but GTFO with telling me that I don't understand the point of the sport. At least I glove up and step in the ring and cage myself.

[ELPacman]

if it’s any reason boxing “loses fans” it’s because of crappy fighters like Ortiz who run all fight and don’t engage. I’m shocked anyone cares he lost or was robbed. That was a very very bad showing and a waste of everyone’s time who showed up and paid for that fight. BAD MATCHMAKING on top ranks part to air this crap before the Super Bowl.

Listen, I would normally agree with you. I can't stand these type fighters. Though I've heard about it from the opposite side where aggressive fighter A needs to be able to find a way to cut off and trap defensive fighter B. If he can't and fighter B is still landing his own shots in the process, doesn't that mean fighter A is incomplete and shouldn't win?

I also understand the idea, you need to take the belts from the champion. Though then you ask, did he if he out played the champion who couldn't figure him out? I don't know, a lot of flippy flop type of people depending on who they favor.

I can't tell you how much I had to deal with buddies who said Pac didn't beat Floyd because he couldn't properly get to Floyd to engage enough and that it was up to Pac to make the fight a fight. I'm like what? So in that logic, wasn't it Teo who had to turn the fight into a fight and make Ortiz trade with him? He never really accomplished that because he was too smart knowing he he wouldn't fair well in those exchanges.

If we're judging boxing off entertainment, then yes, Ortiz put on a snoozefest. Does that equal instant loss? If we're judging off ring intelligence and trying to not get hit much while landing pitty patty shots for 12 rounds, Ortiz would have won based on that.

[TonyRespectful]

I don't mind Teo winning because that was very lackluster and I don't really care. I had it a draw, or both of them losing. I do think if Ortiz had engaged more and clearly outlanded Teo he deserved the win more because he was in control of the engagements.

If you think following a guy around like a puppy and landing nothing of consequence is so great, I'm going to turn that around and tell you that this isn't your sport.

I do agree it was boring. I've thrown more punches in two rounds than either of them threw the whole fight.

But Teo needs to be able to do more than hang back and let people come to him. He clearly can't cut off the ring. It's HIS JOB to impose his style and will on the fight. That's the point of it all. Ortiz imposed his style instead. He could have done a lot more hitting with his moving, but he came with a perfectly good gameplan to expose Teo. He just doesn't have the power or volume to win.

I don't really like to watch that style myself, and it's certainly not how I fight either. But it's a legit style that boxers will inevitably face, especially if they have above average power, and it's their responsibility to know how to deal with it if they want to hang at the top levels.

Teo should absolutely be to blame for not having that level to his game, just as I blame Berlanga for not having that skillset.

And when Teo stopped chasing, it's not like Ortiz kept running. He stepped to Teo when he put himself in the corner. He stepped to Teo every time Teo stopped chasing.

You may not LIKE IT, but GTFO with telling me that I don't understand the point of the sport. At least I glove up and step in the ring and cage myself.

But then you should understand it’s the hurt business.Ortiz didn’t impose anything.He was allowed to.Like Stevenson before him ,Ortiz didn’t commit .

[MulaKO]

This is not your sport. You don’t understand the point of it. One guy runs the whole night and you think he won while blaming the other guy who’s chased him every minute of the fight for making a boring fight. This is not your sport. You don’t understand the point of it.

Your right one guy had running shoes on
The other guy though had no idea how to stop him
Didn’t and couldn’t cut the ring
Kept just following him like a puppy
Then was in the entirety of fight just headhunting which he missed many times instead of attacking the body to stop the running
Ffs Lopez tripped over his own feet
No plan B whatsoever
There’s a valid reason why his corner kept repeating to cut the ring and keep touching him to the body but Lopez just kept chasing and headhunting for that one shot

[TheOneAboveAll]

I don't mind Teo winning because that was very lackluster and I don't really care. I had it a draw, or both of them losing. I do think if Ortiz had engaged more and clearly outlanded Teo he deserved the win more because he was in control of the engagements.

If you think following a guy around like a puppy and landing nothing of consequence is so great, I'm going to turn that around and tell you that this isn't your sport.

I do agree it was boring. I've thrown more punches in two rounds than either of them threw the whole fight.

But Teo needs to be able to do more than hang back and let people come to him. He clearly can't cut off the ring. It's HIS JOB to impose his style and will on the fight. That's the point of it all. Ortiz imposed his style instead. He could have done a lot more hitting with his moving, but he came with a perfectly good gameplan to expose Teo. He just doesn't have the power or volume to win.

I don't really like to watch that style myself, and it's certainly not how I fight either. But it's a legit style that boxers will inevitably face, especially if they have above average power, and it's their responsibility to know how to deal with it if they want to hang at the top levels.

Teo should absolutely be to blame for not having that level to his game, just as I blame Berlanga for not having that skillset.

And when Teo stopped chasing, it's not like Ortiz kept running. He stepped to Teo when he put himself in the corner. He stepped to Teo every time Teo stopped chasing.

You may not LIKE IT, but GTFO with telling me that I don't understand the point of the sport. At least I glove up and step in the ring and cage myself.

I insist that you don’t know what you’re talking about if you think the point of boxing is to “impose your style on the other guy.” That’s as vague and subjective as the word ring generalship, which is pretty meaningless. You don’t win a fight by moving better or slipping punches better. You win a fight by hitting and hurting your opponent more than he hit and hurt you. If you happen to like dancing better there are other things for you to watch on the weekend. Teofimo could certainly have fought smarter last night, but he all but lunged at and tackled Ortiz all night long to try to make a fight. Jamaine Ortiz gets validation from fans like you that he’s fighting when he’s just running all night.

[TheOneAboveAll]

Your right one guy had running shoes on
The other guy though had no idea how to stop him
Didn’t and couldn’t cut the ring
Kept just following him like a puppy
Then was in the entirety of fight just headhunting which he missed many times instead of attacking the body to stop the running
Ffs Lopez tripped over his own feet
No plan B whatsoever
There’s a valid reason why his corner kept repeating to cut the ring and keep touching him to the body but Lopez just kept chasing and headhunting for that one shot

Which fighter pressed the action and which fighter landed the cleaner, more impactful blows? There weren’t many great shots or moments in the entire fight, but I don’t recall a single meaningful punch landed by Ortiz. I gave him one clear round, and two tie rounds. How anybody could give him the fight is beyond my belief and I am TOAA.

[boxingitis]

I don't think anyone is using this fight or the last Shakur fight as a great example of defensive boxing. Those were ugly. But running does not apply to Willie Pep, Sweet Pea, PRETTY BOY Mayweather and many others who employ the sweet science of 'swimming without getting wet'. Please tell .e you know what trainer coined that phrase it what it actually means. If you can't the. YDKSAB!! LOL

You like that ***** ass running and pity pat punches that never hurt their opponents kinds of match and called them master class performance. Is a game a tag and don't get tag for you. Stick to fencing where no one gets hurt. You probably enjoy flag football instead of real football.

There is a reason Tank sells and Haney doesn't. No one wants to see that Gay style of boxing.