So Beterbiev tested for high levels of HGH and testosterone

[IronDanHamza]

You didn’t answer my question.

But I’d also be curious to know how many of them were in their 20s.

You cannot be serious

You do know everyone can see that you are literally the last person on this website that should be telling others to answer their question?

[Zaroku]

I think so

There's top PED suppliers and doctors out there that openly say they're always one step ahead of the testing agencies and those agencies are always playing catch up.

I think pretty much every top athlete who has the money to use the top people in the field of PED's are basically using them. Now and again it probably goes wrong and they get busted, but most get away with it.

He prolly ate too many Canelo tacos ???

[IronDanHamza]

We’re talking about more suspects vs less suspect.

So out of the 26,000 yearly cases of rhabdo what percentage do you think are due to PEDs?

And what percentage of atypical testosterone and HGH levels in 39 year old men do you think are due to PEDs?

I have no idea on the exact number. I just know that it's demonstrably evident that Rhabdo is linked with PED use.

In regards to the percentage of 39 ear old men who have elevated test are down to PED use, again, would be almost impossible to know that number. But we do know that it can happen without PED use just as Rhabdo can.

I mean, let's just for arguments sake say Ortiz's case is less suspect, it is still suspect.

Both cases are suspect. Hence why to deem one "very suspect" and the other the opposite is just an incredibly ignorant claim to make.

[ShoulderRoll]

Well, you kind of did. You just said that VADA can't fulfil their testing procedure due to lack of funding.

Ok so I'll ask again, and this is a genuine question, what is this 365 VADA program that Canelo did and how does it differ to the one Beterbiev did/does?

And as you didn't answer I'll also ask again; What is your position here then, that someone that does VADA testing is not likely clean?

Please answer the questions, it's a very simple task to answer questions when having discussions. I know you make a huge habit of avoiding questions but unless you are willing to answer questions on your stances then you should refrain from doing so.

When VADA gets called in and paid to do testing for the WBC they do their job and do it well. But when money for the program runs out VADA doesn’t continue testing on their own dime.

When Canelo (and Nonito) did 24/7/365 VADA they signed a contract to do it and paid for it out of their own pocket.

My position is that someone that has done as much VADA testing as Canelo has since Golovkin II is likely clean.

[ShoulderRoll]

I have no idea on the exact number. I just know that it's demonstrably evident that Rhabdo is linked with PED use.

In regards to the percentage of 39 ear old men who have elevated test are down to PED use, again, would be almost impossible to know that number. But we do know that it can happen without PED use just as Rhabdo can.

I mean, let's just for arguments sake say Ortiz's case is less suspect, it is still suspect.

Both cases are suspect. Hence why to deem one "very suspect" and the other the opposite is just an incredibly ignorant claim to make.

You don’t have to know the exact numbers. A ballpark estimate on your part is fine.

Ok, we can agree on that. If Ortiz is less suspect that doesn’t mean he still can’t be suspected of PED use.

[IronDanHamza]

When VADA gets called in and paid to do testing for the WBC they do their job and do it well. But when money for the program runs out VADA doesn’t continue testing on their own dime.

When Canelo (and Nonito) did 24/7/365 VADA they signed a contract to do it and paid for it out of their own pocket.

My position is that someone that has done as much VADA testing as Canelo has since Golovkin II is likely clean.

Ok got it so in that case you deem Beterbiev likely clean?

[IronDanHamza]

You don’t have to know the exact numbers. A ballpark estimate on your part is fine.

Ballpark estimates here are useless and in this case impossible to make.

What matters here is both are suspect.

You can't deem one case very suspect and the other the opposite.

[ShoulderRoll]

Ok got it so in that case you deem Beterbiev likely clean?

Has he done as much VADA testing as Canelo has?

[Pac=Duran]

And yet the US and every other country still get to compete in the Olympics because it's not state supported and institutionalized like it is in Russia. That's like saying "but Canada plays football too." Not even the same league, as far as what I was referring to. Barely even the same game.

The previous poster said Russia have a long history of dopijg which I agreed with. I added that America too has a long history of doping. All top American sprinters have been nabbed. A massive list of American boxers too.

can’t mention Russian’s history of doping without mentioning other country’s doping history also.

[_Rexy_]

Has he done as much VADA testing as Canelo has?

There’s no way to compare the amount of tests. Has Beterbiev ever failed a test?