So Beterbiev tested for high levels of HGH and testosterone

[tokon]

That would be for VADA to clarify I suppose. It is ambiguous.

I'm not entirely sure of their process. I just know they tend to use these "atypical" finding more so as a black mark in a book kind of thing.

Yes, without detailed knowledge of the testing, it's all a bit ambiguous isn't it?

I just thought that carbon isotope testing (supposedly standard with VADA) was able to identify if the testosterone was exogenous, irrespective of levels?

Thanks.

[ShoulderRoll]

How many of them have gotten it repeatedly in their early 20's?

We can play "Guess Who?" here

You didn’t answer my question.

But I’d also be curious to know how many of them were in their 20s.

[IronDanHamza]

There are 26,000 cases of rhabdo in the US every year. What percentage of those would you estimate are due to PEDs?

You are aware that Rhabdo is linked to PED use, right?

[_Rexy_]

You didn’t answer my question.

But I’d also be curious to know how many of them were in their 20s.

That’s why I made the “guess who?” Joke. Narrow down the list. Hypothetically, If 50,000 of 65,000 cases were people over 40 then it would narrow that number down.

It’s also pointless to say “how many 39 year olds have elevated test” when we don’t know how elevated Artur’s test levels were. Elevated to the point that they weren’t made public and when it dropped today VADA made an immediate statement makes me believe it’s rather common.

[ShoulderRoll]

Well, as we all know your opinion on this topic is as good as useless.

Vergil Ortiz has a rare condition that is linked to PED use and is on the verge of kidney failure in his 20's. it's not necessarily because of PED use but it is a reason to suspect possible PED use

Beterbiev has elevated levels of Test and GH, it's not necessarily because of PED use but it is a reason to suspect possible PED use.

They are two branches of the same tree. Both are reasons for su****ion. To deem one "very suspect" and the other the opposite is nothing more than ******, and ignorant. It's just that simple, again, running theme.



So you're saying that VADA's testing is flawed as the funding is limited? And out of curiosity, what exactly is this different VADA program Donaire and Canelo were involved with? And how does it differ to the 365 testing that Beterbiev was under?

So, what is your position here then, that someone that does VADA testing is not likely clean?

I know I’m not an expert, former PED user like yourself whose testicles are shot. But it’s not unreasonable to think Beterbiev’s numbers are more suspect than Vergil’s.

No, I’m not saying VADA testing is flawed. I’m saying the WBC Clean Boxing Program is different from the 24/7/365 VADA testing done by Nonito and Canelo.

[ShoulderRoll]

You are aware that Rhabdo is linked to PED use, right?

For all 26,000 cases? For a majority of them? Or for a small fraction of them?

[IronDanHamza]

For all 26,000 cases? For a majority of them? Or for a small fraction of them?

In general, Rhabdo is a condition that is linked to PED use.

Not sure what you're not understanding about that.

You are aware that elevated test and GH levels can happen without PED use also, or are you not?

[IronDanHamza]

I know I’m not an expert, former PED user like yourself whose testicles are shot. But it’s not unreasonable to think Beterbiev’s numbers are more suspect than Vergil’s.

You're not only not an expert you are totally clueless

Ok and it's also not unreasonable to think Ortiz's case is more suspect than Beterbiev's. See how that works?

The point is you can't deem one "very suspect" and the other the opposite. That would be very very, very, dumb.

No, I’m not saying VADA testing is flawed. I’m saying the WBC Clean Boxing Program is different from the 24/7/365 VADA testing done by Nonito and Canelo.

Well, you kind of did. You just said that VADA can't fulfil their testing procedure due to lack of funding.

Ok so I'll ask again, and this is a genuine question, what is this 365 VADA program that Canelo did and how does it differ to the one Beterbiev did/does?

And as you didn't answer I'll also ask again; What is your position here then, that someone that does VADA testing is not likely clean?

Please answer the questions, it's a very simple task to answer questions when having discussions. I know you make a huge habit of avoiding questions but unless you are willing to answer questions on your stances then you should refrain from doing so.

[ShoulderRoll]

In general, Rhabdo is a condition that is linked to PED use.

Not sure what you're not understanding about that.

You are aware that elevated test and GH levels can happen without PED use also, or are you not?

We’re talking about more suspects vs less suspect.

So out of the 26,000 yearly cases of rhabdo what percentage do you think are due to PEDs?

And what percentage of atypical testosterone and HGH levels in 39 year old men do you think are due to PEDs?

[Zaroku]

Interesting

Coke got old for me bro…. I don’t do drugs no more!