Comments Thread For: BoxingScene.com's 2023 Fighter of The Year: Naoya Inoue

[Aware]

Most fighters only had one fight in 2020 so it's a mute point to make.

Fair enough. What about Floyd Patterson?

[JonDP]

Without any doubt

[SilverMiles]

Fair enough. What about Floyd Patterson?

Can't say much about Patterson winning in 1960 as I don't know who else was considered.

I would assume Gene Fuller was considered and maybe had won if he hadn't drawn with Robinson that year. Guys like Flash Elorde and Eder Jofre had they fought today would have likely won but there was still a heavy bias against fighters who fought below 135lbs in the 60's.

Even Willie Pep never received the honor of Fighter of the Year by the BWAA and he's highly regarded.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Did you complete the challenge though? How many fighters did you name for each?

All of the relevant ones. Which you'd know if you had reading comprehension. I could spout off a few of the random guys as well, but that is fundamentally meaningless no matter what weight class you're talking about.

Like Demetrius Andrade. Could say "name four of his opponents" but nobody cares because the better question is "how many world champs has he beat"? The answer is "0". Yet people still want to make like he's a great win.

[Elheath]

Did you complete the challenge though? How many fighters did you name for each?

During a debate, when one side start to nitpick on the minor details and not the main point of the arguement is when people know they are starting to get desperate just to conjure out something. I'm not crimsonfalcon but just so you can move on, I will add on. Naming 4 opponents without boxrec isn't that hard if you actually follow the weight class as a whole especially from one country.

Four opponents Fulton defeated: along with the most recent three of Leo, Figueroa, and Roman which was explained by above, he also defeated Paulus Ambunda who was a former bantamweight champion that lost his belt to the Kameda brothers earlier in his career.

Four opponents Tapales defeated: the biggest one being MJ obviously, but prior to that he defeated Hiroaki Teshigawara in the eliminator which got him the mandatory challenger position against MJ which he used to his best. His loss against Iwasa gets emphasized a lot but that was his only loss in over a decade, and prior to it he has defeated Shohei Omori twice. Tapales' first belt was won against Sor Singyu in bantamweight.

I will even add some bonus trivia for those who have no interest in the below 130 weights or Asia in general: Tapales lost to Ryosuke Iwasa for the interim belt, whom MJ defeated in an unifier, whom Tapales defeated as the mandatory challenger to get the two belts to fight Inoue.

[Elheath]

All of the relevant ones. Which you'd know if you had reading comprehension. I could spout off a few of the random guys as well, but that is fundamentally meaningless no matter what weight class you're talking about.

Like Demetrius Andrade. Could say "name four of his opponents" but nobody cares because the better question is "how many world champs has he beat"? The answer is "0". Yet people still want to make like he's a great win.

Speaking of world champs, what is funny is that now that Inoue got all the belts in 122 the next fights will cut his consecutive belt holders fought to four (Donaire II, Butler, Fulton, Tapales). The current/former world holders streak will continue with Nery/MJ but will cut off if he fights Goodman though.

[Aware]

All of the relevant ones. Which you'd know if you had reading comprehension. I could spout off a few of the random guys as well, but that is fundamentally meaningless no matter what weight class you're talking about.

Like Demetrius Andrade. Could say "name four of his opponents" but nobody cares because the better question is "how many world champs has he beat"? The answer is "0". Yet people still want to make like he's a great win.

All of the relevant ones, huh? So neither of those fighters beat 4 significant opponents? Thanks for proving my point. Taking passive-aggressive shots at me. I'm in here like Baba Sy:

[Aware]

During a debate, when one side start to nitpick on the minor details and not the main point of the arguement is when people know they are starting to get desperate just to conjure out something. I'm not crimsonfalcon but just so you can move on, I will add on. Naming 4 opponents without boxrec isn't that hard if you actually follow the weight class as a whole especially from one country.

Four opponents Fulton defeated: along with the most recent three of Leo, Figueroa, and Roman which was explained by above, he also defeated Paulus Ambunda who was a former bantamweight champion that lost his belt to the Kameda brothers earlier in his career.

Four opponents Tapales defeated: the biggest one being MJ obviously, but prior to that he defeated Hiroaki Teshigawara in the eliminator which got him the mandatory challenger position against MJ which he used to his best. His loss against Iwasa gets emphasized a lot but that was his only loss in over a decade, and prior to it he has defeated Shohei Omori twice. Tapales' first belt was won against Sor Singyu in bantamweight.

I will even add some bonus trivia for those who have no interest in the below 130 weights or Asia in general: Tapales lost to Ryosuke Iwasa for the interim belt, whom MJ defeated in an unifier, whom Tapales defeated as the mandatory challenger to get the two belts to fight Inoue.

How is it nitpicking when I asked for 4 opponents and he didn't name 4 opponents? You don't get full credit in school for that. Cong**** on finishing the challenge!

[Elheath]

All of the relevant ones, huh? So neither of those fighters beat 4 significant opponents? Thanks for proving my point. Taking passive-aggressive shots at me. I'm in here like Baba Sy:

By the way, since you seem to be interested in the welterweights, I would like to ask you of what you think Spence will do after his consecutive loss to Bud in the waste of time rematch. Will he retire with decent money as a dime a dozen former unified champion, or will he try to resurrect his career at 154 or 160?

[Elheath]

How is it nitpicking when I asked for 4 opponents and he didn't name 4 opponents?

I was under the impression that the main point of the conversion you were trying to make was that "Spence was a great boxer and wasn't an overrated damaged goods like some people claim, therefore Bud deserves FotY over Inoue" or something like that. If your point of the argument was "I don't have any interest in the lighter weights but can crimsonfalcon name 4 opponents that Fulton and Tapales defeated without looking them up"-game then I guess the number is more important.

By the way, the I don't know them therefore they must be bums argument runs both ways, given that those not interested in Spence's career or the welterweights can say he didn't defeat anyone notable (by their standards) before getting owned by Bud.