Comments Thread For: BoxingScene.com's 2023 Fighter of The Year: Naoya Inoue

[Aware]

Why would there be a strong argument Crawford should've won, he fought once this year against a guy who a lot of people have been crying on is damaged goods.

And it took it him 6 years to not only become undisputed but to even get his first unification, there is guys who've debuted and become undisputed in less time than him.

Inoue moved up and immediately beat the #1 guy and then fought the guy who had just beaten the person who was considered #2 to become undisputed in 2 divisions in 53 weeks.

The only reason you're even questioning this is either racial bias or a lack of respect for lower divisions, either way it's unacceptable.

Crawford vs Spence was considered the best potential matchup in boxing before the fight. Spence looked fine against Garcia and Ugas. Teofimo Lopez won fighter of the year in 2020 with only 1 fight.

[Boro]

Crawford vs Spence was considered the best potential matchup in boxing before the fight. Spence looked fine against Garcia and Ugas. Teofimo Lopez won fighter of the year in 2020 with only 1 fight.

Teo beat a guy who equalled a record that had been established for decades which very unlikely to be broken, was a multiple division champion in very few fights arguably the worlds best amatuer, Loma is a lock for HoF.

The same can not be said for Spence.

If you're going to compare fighters to try and prove a point at least make sure they're equivalents...

No it wasn't considered the best matchup, it was considered the best matchup in lieu of other matchups not happening.

[hugh grant]

Now, without using boxrec, name 4 fighters each that Tapales and Fulton beat.

I know who Spence beat, pac s sparring partner porter was spence best win wasn't it?
The Pac who beat bradley, wouldve been favourite against spence. 41 year old pac v spence was a credible fight for spence. Spence isn't a pfp fighter. Not a win for bud, that bud can dine off of for next 10 years anyway.
Spence resume at 147 isn't good, because lightweight bud is beating the exact same fighters. Spence has nothing to boast about. If bud is koing porter in 10 rounds, spence should be koing porter in 6 rounds if spence is a pfp fighter. If we are going to get rammed down our throats the idea that spence is some kind of pfp merchant, we are entitled to certain level of expectations and certain criteria are met.
You really think Spence at his best beats pac at his best when he beat Cotto and clottey?

[Aware]

Teo beat a guy who equalled a record that had been established for decades which very unlikely to be broken, was a multiple division champion in very few fights arguably the worlds best amatuer, Loma is a lock for HoF.

The same can not be said for Spence.

If you're going to compare fighters to try and prove a point at least make sure they're equivalents...

No it wasn't considered the best matchup, it was considered the best matchup in lieu of other matchups not happening.

You're being disingenuous if you deny that many in the boxing community were calling this fight the best matchup in boxing. I gave you an example to prove that it is possible to win fighter of the year with one fight.

[Boro]

You're being disingenuous if you deny that many in the boxing community were calling this fight the best matchup in boxing. I gave you an example to prove that it is possible to win fighter of the year with one fight.


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How am I being disingenuous when I literally give you the reason why it isn't, many people would've preferred the undisputed heavyweight fight, Wilder Vs Joshua so on and so forth in fact you're the one being disingenuous here making the claim you are.

And I don't care if you gave me an example of a fighter winning FOTY with one fight, I told you why it isn't the same, Teos win is historically far greater his opponent is far more accomplished than Spence and that's not even up for debate.

Like hugh grant said it's arguable Porter is Spences best win and he's an abject failure in his most meaningful fights.

So Spence in turn failing is his first REAL significant fight not only failing but failing miserably I might add against Bud reflects extremely poorly on his apparent P4P status, it doesn't take a genius to work this out...

P.S. Really you're going to link me a Max Kellerman video, good one LOL

Also just realised you said he looked good against Garcia and Ugas.

Wow really who would've guessed he would look good against a featherweight and a guy with multiple losses at domestic level...

[Aware]

How am I being disingenuous when I literally give you the reason why it isn't, many people would've preferred the undisputed heavyweight fight, Wilder Vs Joshua so on and so forth in fact you're the one being disingenuous here making the claim you are.

And I don't care if you gave me an example of a fighter winning FOTY with one fight, I told you why it isn't the same, Teos win is historically far greater his opponent is far more accomplished than Spence and that's not even up for debate.

Like hugh grant said it's arguable Porter is Spences best win and he's an abject failure in his most meaningful fights.

So Spence in turn failing is his first REAL significant fight not only failing but failing miserably I might add against Bud reflects extremely poorly on his apparent P4P status, it doesn't take a genius to work this out...

P.S. Really you're going to link me a Max Kellerman video, good one LOL

I'll post others vids as well. You can try to be a revisionist, it ain't working though.

- "Arguably the most significant boxing match since May-Pac"

- " In all of the fights in all of combat sports that could possibly be made this year...this was the one..."

https://******************/4UKVQzb-zzw?*************d - Potential to be fight of a generation

Stephen "Breadman" Edwards https://www.boxingscene.com/breadman...awford--176507 - "Fight of the century that we all enjoy."

Domino! Mate! All that ****. GTFOH!

p.s. Floyd Patterson won FOTY with 1 fight... discredit that one.

[Elheath]

With all this Spence talk going on here, I might as well ask but what do people think will happen with Spence this year?

If the waste of time rematch does indeed happen in February, I'm sure even the biggest Spence fan will expect him to lose again regardless of 147 or 154. After that though, then what? After back-to-back losses making decent money is he just going to retire? Is he going to 154 or even 160 to try to get a belt and become a two division champion?

It really is unfortunate how much Spence has fallen in stock and will further fall with the rematch. He went from top 5 P4P/possibly HoF potential in the far future to a dime a dozen former single division unified champion. The accident and the fact that it took 6 years for the unification with Bud to occur really wasted his prime time where he should've gone up years ago.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Now, without using boxrec, name 4 fighters each that Tapales and Fulton beat.

This argument is nothing more than a statement that you don't follow the lower weight classes.

Fulton's biggest wins were the 3 before Inoue. Winning the belt from Angelo Leo, who just got a vacant title, then much better wins against Brandon Figueroa and Daniel Roman. Figueroa was the one that really put Fulton on the map IMO, since he owned wins over the likes of Luis Nery. He also just beat Mark Magsayo in his last fight, who was a titlist at 126, having beaten Gary Russell Jr for that title. And Roman was the previous unified champ, who MJ beat to become unified champ back in 2020.

MJ is the main name that you need to know for Tapales. He won his first title vs a dude named Puangluang, which is pretty hard to remember, then lost it on the scales. Lost to Ryosuke Iwasa who was IBF champ at one point. But he looked very sharp against MJ, and fought a very good fight against Inoue as well. I think he'll probably become champ again after Inoue moves up. He, Fulton, Akhmadaliev, and then Nery and Sam Goodman are the main players at 122. Maybe Casimero, but I don't think very highly of him.

I watched all of those fights live. Some I rewatched prior to the Inoue fights to look for holes in their games.

I'd have a much tougher time telling you about guys in divisions like 140, 154, 160. I don't know most of the contenders at 175 without looking them up, and don't really care to. I don't know most of the contenders in the UFC any more either.

That sort of challenge is nothing more than an indicator that you personally don't follow the division. If you did, you'd know the names. Heck, most of the people here probably only can name names because they get debated by haters. Like the likes of Avni Yildirim, or John Ryder, or David Avanesyan. None of them are great talents. Heck, if either Moloney were at 147 or higher but had their current skill set, they'd be major players at minimum.

I follow the lower divisions because I'm a fan of the sweet science, not of watching people fight for the sake of drinking beer. And the skill levels are higher on average in the lower divisions.

[Aware]

This argument is nothing more than a statement that you don't follow the lower weight classes.

Fulton's biggest wins were the 3 before Inoue. Winning the belt from Angelo Leo, who just got a vacant title, then much better wins against Brandon Figueroa and Daniel Roman. Figueroa was the one that really put Fulton on the map IMO, since he owned wins over the likes of Luis Nery. He also just beat Mark Magsayo in his last fight, who was a titlist at 126, having beaten Gary Russell Jr for that title. And Roman was the previous unified champ, who MJ beat to become unified champ back in 2020.

MJ is the main name that you need to know for Tapales. He won his first title vs a dude named Puangluang, which is pretty hard to remember, then lost it on the scales. Lost to Ryosuke Iwasa who was IBF champ at one point. But he looked very sharp against MJ, and fought a very good fight against Inoue as well. I think he'll probably become champ again after Inoue moves up. He, Fulton, Akhmadaliev, and then Nery and Sam Goodman are the main players at 122. Maybe Casimero, but I don't think very highly of him.

I watched all of those fights live. Some I rewatched prior to the Inoue fights to look for holes in their games.

I'd have a much tougher time telling you about guys in divisions like 140, 154, 160. I don't know most of the contenders at 175 without looking them up, and don't really care to. I don't know most of the contenders in the UFC any more either.

That sort of challenge is nothing more than an indicator that you personally don't follow the division. If you did, you'd know the names. Heck, most of the people here probably only can name names because they get debated by haters. Like the likes of Avni Yildirim, or John Ryder, or David Avanesyan. None of them are great talents. Heck, if either Moloney were at 147 or higher but had their current skill set, they'd be major players at minimum.

I follow the lower divisions because I'm a fan of the sweet science, not of watching people fight for the sake of drinking beer. And the skill levels are higher on average in the lower divisions.

Did you complete the challenge though? How many fighters did you name for each?

[SilverMiles]

Crawford vs Spence was considered the best potential matchup in boxing before the fight. Spence looked fine against Garcia and Ugas. Teofimo Lopez won fighter of the year in 2020 with only 1 fight.

Most fighters only had one fight in 2020 so it's a mute point to make.