Comments Thread For: Jaron Ennis' Trainer Believes A Fight With Mario Barrios Will Happen

[brettWall]

With still no fight scheduled yet, he'll be approaching one year layoff.

Being now a free agent, nobody knows what he's doing. Thurman and Barrios are not the only fighters in the division. There's still Avanesyan, Kavaliauskas, Benn, etc. If he wants to stay in the PBC premises, he can move up and tons of fights are available at 154. He doesn't have to start with Tzsyu or Charlo.

Ennis' father & trainer Bozy needs help in securing fights for his son, especially now that Dunkin is no longer around. Problem is the ultra protective Bozy would still be the one who would reject/approve of Boots' fights. So I don't see those fights happening for Jaron.

If Bozy is hell-bent on avoiding those types of fights he should sign with Luis Decubas who possesses expertise in looking for fights tailor-made for Boots. Decubas' main fighter, Lara, would testify to this. Rigondeaux, a late signee, can also verify this. Plus, Decubas could easily secure Boots a WBA strap.

[Curtis2]

The IBF is the only org enforcing the rules. So no, they're not trash. There was nothing atypical (use the correct word) about what happened. You don't fight a mando when required, you want to call out lightweights and super middleweights? Get stripped.

That would be the WBO (What Bob Orders), followed by WBC (We Be Crooks).

WBO simply refuses to strip guys who go years without fighting mandos.

WBC makes up titles as they go along.


And like I said...Boots told him to get the belt back, which would have enabled Crawford to make history by being a 2x welterweight undisputed; and Crawford chose to chase circus fights that aren't going to happen because the guy he's calling out will call EVERY shot and Crawford (as we all know) will refuse to accept his B-Side. So in the meantime the division is held up.

What we need - which is what you don't want - is for all of the orgs to start stripping this guy if he doesn't fight his mandatories. Because right now that's all he can bank on. And if he doesn't stay active, he'll end up taking an L just like Spence he wasn't active.

You do speak English, right? The prefixes a and un mean the same as in not, therefore they’re both correct.
Looks like you don’t do homework. Bud’s history clearly shows he didn’t avoid any mandatory in his career.
Why no mention about combined 63 losses for Boots past 15 opponents??

[Combat Talk Radio]

You do speak English, right? The prefixes a and un mean the same as in not, therefore they’re both correct.
Looks like you don’t do homework. Bud’s history clearly shows he didn’t avoid any mandatory in his career.
Why no mention about combined 63 losses for Boots past 15 opponents??

You're free to use whatever word you choose. But atypical is what us common folk use - so if you're talking to people, I suggest rolling with the proper current English instead of the way people used to talk when the Brits invaded. But that's on you.

As far as Crawford, BOOTS WAS A MANDATORY AND CRAWFORD DUCKED HIM. That's fact. Records don't matter, the man was a mandatory and Crawford DUCKED him. Openly DUCKED him. Verbally DUCKED him. That's what happened. You can discredit the opponent all you care to - I then question why you had no issue with Avanesyan's record (a mandatory) and why that was cool with you.

Because "At The End Of The Day", NSB is not consistent with how they respond to fighters. With this ONE fighter you're cool with him ducking a mandatory; that's fine. I'm not.

The IBF did their job, the rest should because he's holding up the division. He lied to you about fighting Spence in December, meanwhile the welterweights are being left out. Real fans should be outraged at what's happening here. At this rate he might go a year without fighting; real fans should be outraged at that.

[Combat Talk Radio]

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Ok so let’s just give more IF scenarios please;

IF Marquez hadn’t KO’d PAC, he would have lost the fight.
IF Floyd hadn’t punch Ortiz while Ortiz was apologizing for the 10th time after intentionally headbutting Floyd, Ortiz would have won.
IF Mosley landed another punch on Floyd in the 2nd round, he would have KO’d Floyd.
IF Floyd fought Canelo at 154, Canelo might have won.
IF Oscar didn’t run the last 4 rounds vs Tito, he would have won.
IF Spence wasn’t struggling to make 147, he might have beaten Crawford.
IF the Sergio Martinez vs Julio Chavez went one more round, Chavez would have won.


We can make all sorts of IF scenarios to defend guys we like and those we don’t.

Villa “not landing anything significant” was like almost 90% of Floyd’s opponent who couldn’t beat him. Floyd was just better,

Boots will have his day with other better opponents and we’ll see what he’s made of. Is all.

The problem with your fallacy, is that those "IF" scenarios happened in the past aka rewriting a history that happened.

I'm describing a scenario that hasn't happened because it cannot (changing the makeup of a fighter).

Of the above list, the only two that might qualify as equivalent are bolded, and I had to correct your use of words to make them valid statements that any real fan would acknowledge as potentially the truth,

This isn't defending anyone.

Chukhadzian was landing on Boots. He had no power. Boots kept walking. But Karen's movement was a clear problem for Boots. He was made to look like a plodder.
Villa landed on Boots. He just couldn't avoid what came back at him.

So you manufacture a fighter with Karen's elite footwook and give him power like Villa is known to have, and you end up with a beater. The problem is, there aren't many fighters with that makeup. The closest I can think of is Teofimo, and his Kryptonite is someone who can time him coming in. Boots' Kryptonite is someone who's not going to stand there and take his stuff yet won't be afraid to throw on him.

So - let's go extreme. Because I'm a fan of the craft and it's fun.

All weights equal...Edwin Valero would have given Boots all kinds of hell even if he eventually went down. Because he's the closest that can be recalled that meets what I'm describing.

[joseph5620]

I always liked Golovkin, I think he was the real deal in his prime despite the lack of fierce competition. Guys were flat out afraid of him. Tbf nobody was chomping at the bit to get in the ring with him. People like to bring up Ward but the fact is Ward wasnât active at 168 when GGG was the boogeyman at 160. & when he did return he moved up to 175.

and it wasnât only Canelo he chased, it was all the belt holders. Sergio & Cotto shamelessly ducked him. I canât fault the guy for the lack of competition at 160 & 168. And I appreciate the fact that he was fighting 3-4x a year regardless of the competition, it was just nice to see a guy active & crushing them all. Boots on the other hand is fighting once a year against absolute no hopers. Itâs just not the same.

That's not true..Ward was champion at 168 from 2009-2013. Golovkin became a world champion at 160 in 2010. So there were plenty of opportunities and time for him to move up to 168 to challenge Ward. Golovkin was not facing any memorable or elite fighters either until the Danny Jacobs fight in 2017.

Boots wanted Crawford. In fact, he was Crawford's mandatory.How is that any different frim Golovkin wanting Cotto or Martinez? For the record, I don't think Crawford is afraid of Boots but it doesn't change the fact that it's not Boots fault that it didn't happen.

[Oregonian]

The problem with your fallacy, is that those "IF" scenarios happened in the past aka rewriting a history that happened.

I'm describing a scenario that hasn't happened because it cannot (changing the makeup of a fighter).

Of the above list, the only two that might qualify as equivalent are bolded, and I had to correct your use of words to make them valid statements that any real fan would acknowledge as potentially the truth,

This isn't defending anyone.

Chukhadzian was landing on Boots. He had no power. Boots kept walking. But Karen's movement was a clear problem for Boots. He was made to look like a plodder.
Villa landed on Boots. He just couldn't avoid what came back at him.

So you manufacture a fighter with Karen's elite footwook and give him power like Villa is known to have, and you end up with a beater. The problem is, there aren't many fighters with that makeup. The closest I can think of is Teofimo, and his Kryptonite is someone who can time him coming in. Boots' Kryptonite is someone who's not going to stand there and take his stuff yet won't be afraid to throw on him.

So - let's go extreme. Because I'm a fan of the craft and it's fun.

All weights equal...Edwin Valero would have given Boots all kinds of hell even if he eventually went down. Because he's the closest that can be recalled that meets what I'm describing.

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You make very compelling points and I like such “debates”, so yes, on paper, I’d be inclined to agree with you, however there are way too many nuances and context to just accept something at face value.

For example, you keep saying Villa landed on Boots which is true. Even a defensive deficient boxer like Khan landed on Bud and Canelo BUT in the end AND as expected he got wiped out.
Boots outlanded Villa by a 3 to 1 margin and pretty much controlled the whole fight. It was a glorified sparring session so that’s terrible example to use.

I rewatched the Boots-Karen fight just to be get rid of any implicit bias I may have had and also to have a decent discourse about boxing in general with you. Karen’s footwork is solid and his counter lefts are pretty good. Now, if Karen was to fight a top WW (say Stanionis) and exceeded expectations then we can chalk it up to Boots just being all-round better.

Think of it this way, Maidana gave Floyd fits unlike anyone we’ve ever seen. Great for Maidana - the problem is he couldn’t replicate that performance against guys like Devon or Khan who were nowhere near Floyd. That is a problem. I’m not being dismissive of the boxing trifecta/triangle rule.

Valero was a monster. Such a shame the way things played out. A mythical matchup with Boots would have been one hell of a fighter but I am will always lean towards a boxer beating a swarmer which is what Valero was albeit very heavy handed. Think of Marquez and PAC.

[crimsonfalcon07]

I think the guy who should be getting flak is Spence, personally. If IBF ACTUALLY did their jobs, Spence would have defended his IBF belt more than one time in 4 years, and he would have fought Boots already and we'd have already had the answer to that question. Boots was mandatory for Spence for WAY longer than he was for Crawford.

Let's also not forget that Boots CHOSE to avoid the WBO route when Bud was defending against his mandatories there, and went IBF instead, then didn't petition for his mandatory for months before the Crawford fight, then waited to call his shot until after it was clear Spence would activate his rematch clause. And IMO it's Spence's fault that there's a rematch clause in the first place. It's also likely Spence who's holding up the rematch. Bud legally CAN'T fight anyone else, and we haven't heard a single peep from Spence about timeline or anything at all.

Bunch of haters jumping all over the one guy who's tied down by a contractual obligation and just dominated the guy who was supposed to beat him.

[jqSide]

If you go by eye test, Mario Barrios is tailor-made for Jaron Ennis. It's a step down fight.

It is a step-down fight. Better than nothing for the entire 2024 year. Ennis' camp don't even want to expand their options practically waiting for nothing. With all Ennis' vaunted talents and skills I don't know what they're afraid of.

[KillaMane26]

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His last fight was less than 6 months ago. How is that inactive?

What I'm saying is his hype has plummeted. It's not not even close to it was 2 or 1.5 years ago. He should have stayed more active taking fights to keep his name floating.

[Boxfan83]

Ennis vs Barrios is a LAME fight.