How highly do you rate Luis Ortiz now?

[Toffee]

He's on that side of the bracket which rarely crossed the road... so all we really know for sure is that he was above Jennings and below Wilder.

Another fighter who simply didn't prove himself. He was just made to be fed to Wilder. Made some good money so good for him.

Outboxing Wilder just proves he could box to some standard.

[Mammoth]

6 years ago. I would have too.

Yep. That's what I'm saying.

[daggum]

He's on that side of the bracket which rarely crossed the road... so all we really know for sure is that he was above Jennings and below Wilder.

Another fighter who simply didn't prove himself. He was just made to be fed to Wilder. Made some good money so good for him.

Outboxing Wilder just proves he could box to some standard.

but he was the boogeyman!

[El_Mero]

Not very highly. Unfortunately he came into the game at 40 years old.

[Stab Master Arson]

Never beaten anyone worth a ****. "Avoided", yet turned down a career high payday to duck Joshua, so he could rematch that can Wilder for less money.

Just further proof of what a fraud Wilder was, and is.

[MulaKO]

#1 Nyasasaurus Parringtoni or bogeyman
As you please

[daggum]

a lot of the ortiz is a boogeyman talk came from people who hated ggg and wanted to create their own ggg cept the difference between the 2 was wider than the grand canyon. ggg 12 top 10 wins(if you count canelo) ortiz 1 top 10 win. ggg signed to fight/made offers to every top guy in the division: pirog, lee, saunders, quillin, sturm, etc...ortiz called out a bunch of guys in the media but didnt make any fights/make any offers to top guys. basically one guy was the real deal and one wasnt.

[Toffee]

a lot of the ortiz is a boogeyman talk came from people who hated ggg and wanted to create their own ggg cept the difference between the 2 was wider than the grand canyon. ggg 12 top 10 wins(if you count canelo) ortiz 1 top 10 win. ggg signed to fight/made offers to every top guy in the division: pirog, lee, saunders, quillin, sturm, etc...ortiz called out a bunch of guys in the media but didnt make any fights/make any offers to top guys. basically one guy was the real deal and one wasnt.

It was all about Wilder. Which then fed into Fury.

A lot of fans invested in those two needed Ortiz to be the boogeyman. They had to believe that no-one would face Ortiz and that Wilder proved himself in that fight by beating the guy no-one would fight.

The reality is that Ortiz was a nobody with no commercial value and every decent heavyweight wanted to get Wilder in the ring.

[Mammoth]

He's on that side of the bracket which rarely crossed the road... so all we really know for sure is that he was above Jennings and below Wilder.

Another fighter who simply didn't prove himself. He was just made to be fed to Wilder. Made some good money so good for him.

Outboxing Wilder just proves he could box to some standard.

Wasn't he with Golden Boy when he fought Jennings?

[Toffee]

Wasn't he with Golden Boy when he fought Jennings?

I just mean he fought on Wilder's side of the sport, though obviously PBC kept him there.

It's not that hard to rate Usyk's win over Joshua. He did it twice and Joshua had taken on mandatories and unifications.

It's harder to rate Fury's wins over Wilder. Wilder was built on Ortiz and Ortiz doesn't have much behind him.

Joshua v Wilder and Usyk v Fury would answer a lot of questions. I think Parker v Wilder already answered a few - I don't buy this 'old overnight' stuff. What did Wilder do differently except face a good opponent? Outboxed, legs looked like stilts, only had a puncher's chance... it's all standard stuff.