How highly do you rate Luis Ortiz now?

[Mammoth]

Sanchez is doing the same mistake Ortiz did. he is wasting his contender years fighting nobodies. Ajagba was a very solid win, but Sanchez should have stepped up already. I believe he is better than this.

You can't make people care about Sanchez. If it paid to fight him, he'd be in better fights.

[garfios]

I think some people are forgetting how avoided he was in his prime, even though he was a little too old when he jumped to the professional. And a 44 years old he fought a most younger guy ruiz and won more rounds than andy.

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I think some people are forgetting how avoided he was in his prime, even though he was a little too old when he jumped to the professional. And a 44 years old he fought a most younger guy ruiz and won more rounds than andy.

but he really wasnt. that was just PR. he had offers to fight guys. he didnt take them. did he ever make any offers to anyone? no he did not. his team knew how to use the media pretty effectively but he wasnt the real deal "ill fight anyone" kinda guy. he had a plan and he stuck to it. made good money, had a chance at some big fights, lost them all. no shame in that but lets not pretend he was ggg trying to fight everyone in the division.he wasnt.

[garfios]

but he really wasnt. that was just PR. he had offers to fight guys. he didnt take them. did he ever make any offers to anyone? no he did not. his team knew how to use the media pretty effectively but he wasnt the real deal "ill fight anyone" kinda guy. he had a plan and he stuck to it. made good money, had a chance at some big fights, lost them all. no shame in that but lets not pretend he was ggg trying to fight everyone in the division.he wasnt.

What guys? He spend most of his career sitting down or figting whoever wanted to fight him. Similar to Rigondeaux that nobody with a name want anything to do with him. And now we have another Cuban in the same situation, thank God this Cuban defected younger than those two.

[garfios]

No, Ortiz bounced around from Golden Boy, to Matchroom, to PBC.

Yes, and matchroom never gave him the fight.

[garfios]

Sanchez is doing the same mistake Ortiz did. he is wasting his contender years fighting nobodies. Ajagba was a very solid win, but Sanchez should have stepped up already. I believe he is better than this.

You can't force people to fight, back then nobody wanted to share a ring with Ortiz, same with Sanchez. He has offered his service a few times stating he would take short money. No answer.

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What guys? He spend most of his career sitting down or figting whoever wanted to fight him. Similar to Rigondeaux that nobody with a name want anything to do with him. And now we have another Cuban in the same situation, thank God this Cuban defected younger than those two.

whyte offered him a fight. ortiz said i wont be ready...then he fought on the same date that was offered. joshua offered him a fight. he had the backing of pbc and pbc made 0 offers to contenders. they wanted to sit him down and save him for wilder. they didnt want him wandering off and possibly losing to others. he was content with that plan. he could have pursued mandatories, took the offers, made offers, etc...if he wanted to get certain guys in the ring...he didnt do that/he got busted for ped's and lost his status. i dont know why some people have such reverence for the guy. andy ruiz jr is a much better fighter, has a much better resume ,took more chances, etc...and he was a pbc guy. he just didnt have the propaganda push ortiz had. thats the only difference. it was definitively going to be an uphill battle for ortiz to get fights but he made damn sure he didnt get any with his actions. guys like ruiz struck when they could.

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You can't force people to fight, back then nobody wanted to share a ring with Ortiz, same with Sanchez. He has offered his service a few times stating he would take short money. No answer.

you keep saying this in the face of all the evidence that says otherwise. you are just repeating team ortiz propaganda. thats the image they wanted to portray publicly. ortiz will fight anyone! it wasnt true...not even in the slightest. you know how the pbc protects their guys and some guys are perfectly fine with that. ortiz was one of those guys that accepted the pbc plan for him. guys like ruiz made sure to make fights that they watned. guys like ortiz made sure fights didnt happen. stop trying to revise history and say ortiz was hard done. he wasnt. he was happy to fade into the background and wait for a fight with wilder. guys like ruiz said im going to jump at the opportunity to get good fights. guys like jacobs did the same. ortiz said no im sticking with the plan pbc has for me and that was not to take any risks.

[SUBZER0ED]

Ortiz was dangerous, but he was just too old. Few wanted that smoke when he still had some life in him.

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Ortiz was dangerous, but he was just too old. Few wanted that smoke when he still had some life in him.

effective propaganda. trump won the election type of stuff