Comments Thread For: Robert Garcia on Training Vergil Ortiz Again Ahead of 154-Pound Debut: '[It's] as If Nothing Ever Happened.'

[IronDanHamza]

[QUOTE=ShoulderRoll;n32121291] I don’t dismiss rhabdo as being possibly from PED use. I am just against accusing Ortiz of it when he doesn’t have anything in his history to suggest it, when there are other possible explanations based on his known tendencies and health issues [\QUOTE]

Ok but all the poster said was it could be down to PED use. Which it could and is just as reasonable an explanation as yours and if anything those “tendencies and health issues” suggest PED use.

Also find it staggering that you say you’re “gassing accusing” someone of PED use when you literally excuse Ngannou of “assured” PED use with NO evidence what so ever.

I misspoke about Ngannou, he was accused by someone else of using steroids for UFC 260 not by his lawyer. It’s been a while and I conflated several different things from an old argument had at that time.

Oh you did? That’s funny. So are you going to apologise and retract your statement?

Since, you know, there is no evidence that Ngannou has ever used PEDs. Yet you accuse him of assuredly being on PEDs.

Are you going to admit that there is no reason to not give Ngannou the benefit of the doubt, like you do with Ortiz?

[ShoulderRoll]

[QUOTE=IronDanHamza;n32121362]

I don’t dismiss rhabdo as being possibly from PED use. I am just against accusing Ortiz of it when he doesn’t have anything in his history to suggest it, when there are other possible explanations based on his known tendencies and health issues [\QUOTE]

Ok but all the poster said was it could be down to PED use. Which it could and is just as reasonable an explanation as yours and if anything those “tendencies and health issues” suggest PED use.

Also find it staggering that you say you’re “gassing accusing” someone of PED use when you literally excuse Ngannou of “assured” PED use with NO evidence what so ever.



Oh you did? That’s funny. So are you going to apologise and retract your statement?

Since, you know, there is no evidence that Ngannou has ever used PEDs. Yet you accuse him of assuredly being on PEDs.

Are you going to admit that there is no reason to not give Ngannou the benefit of the doubt, like you do with Ortiz?

Ortiz is a young guy and has never given cause to throw PED use accusations around. Dehydration and extreme exertion can cause rhabdo as it has in marathon runners for example.

Ngannou is almost 40, heavily muscled, with very little body fat. And has had steroid su****ions surrounding him before.

I retract my statement that his lawyer accused him of using steroids for UFC 260. It was actually Andrei Arlovski who accused him of that.

[IronDanHamza]

Ortiz is a young guy and has never given cause to throw PED use accusations around. Dehydration and extreme exertion can cause rhabdo as it has in marathon runners for example.

Ngannou is almost 40, heavily muscled, with very little body fat. And has had steroid su****ions surrounding him before.

I retract my statement that his lawyer accused him of using steroids for UFC 260. It was actually Andrei Arlovski who accused him of that.

So hold on, you are saying, that Ortiz, who has a condition linked with PED use, kidneys on the verge of failure in his 20’s, gets the benefit of the doubt.

But Ngannou, who has no evidence what so ever of PED use, has never had any PED related issues, has been in a 24/7 365 USADA Program for a decade, doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt?

In your mind that makes sense? Because news flash, it doesn’t. That is the epitome of a double standard, and just general ******ity.

If any of those two have a reason for su****ion it’s Ortiz.

Also, just so you know, Marathon runs are rife with PED use

While we’re at it, why don’t you go ahead and justify your stance that Ngannou is “assuredly on PEDs” but Floyd Mayweather is clean.

Justify that stance.

[IronDanHamza]

So hold on, you are saying, that Ortiz, who has a condition linked with PED use, kidneys on the verge of failure in his 20’s, gets the benefit of the doubt.

But Ngannou, who has no evidence what so ever of PED use, has never had any PED related issues, has been in a 24/7 365 USADA Program for a decade, doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt?

In your mind that makes sense? Because news flash, it doesn’t. That is the epitome of a double standard, and just general ******ity.

If any of those two have a reason for su****ion it’s Ortiz.

Also, just so you know, Marathon runs are rife with PED use

While we’re at it, why dont you go ahead and justify your stance that Ngannou is assuredly on PEDs but Floyd Mayweather is clean.

Justify that stance.

ShoulderRoll Why do you constantly run and refuse to justify your stances?

Does it not make you feel more pathetic each time you do it?

[ShoulderRoll]

Yawn.

[IronDanHamza]

Yawn.

Why do you constantly run and refuse to justify your position?

Does it not make you feel more pathetic each time you do it.

Or like you said to the other poster when the shoe was on the other foot, do you concede your L?

[ShoulderRoll]

Why do you constantly run and refuse to justify your position?

Does it not make you feel more pathetic each time you do it.

Or like you said to the other poster when the shoe was on the other foot, do you concede your L?

When did you ever concede that Conor Benn’s situation was markedly different than Canelo’s, Dan?

[IronDanHamza]

When did you ever concede that Conor Benn’s situation was markedly different than Canelo’s, Dan?

What does that have to do with my question that you’ve refused to address?

I’m not interested in Canelo-Benn as it’s been broken down to you ad nasuem and it’s clear you’ll never be able to understand what the burden of proof is or even just general plausibility but for what it’s worth, I’ve never disputed their situations are different. Every PED case is different. It’s the plausibility of it being true which is the same; Zero.

Now, are you going to address your stance that Ngannou is assuredly on PEDs and Mayweather is clean? As you’ve refused to a single time?

[BustedKnuckles]

Given that Ortiz struggles to cut weight and has suffered dehydration and fainting from that, plus his known penchant for hard workouts and being a gym rat, why wouldn’t one attribute his rhabdo to that? Instead of jumping to PEDs first?

Because he's a hard-hitting professional boxer, not some local cross-fit enthusiast. And my guess is that way more boxers are on steroids than you would think.

[IronDanHamza]

Because he's a hard-hitting professional boxer, not some local cross-fit enthusiast. And my guess is that way more boxers are on steroids than you would think.

ShoulderRoll struggles with these things.

He has this fake PED crusade going on, except for fighters he likes. Calls out PED use, goes as far as labelling fighters “assuredly on PEDs” with no evidence whilst at the same time deeming Canelo, who he’s a fanboy of, “likely clean” because he’s passed a few VADA tests since his failed test

It’s genuinely an astounding level of ******ity. The guy bless him has literally not the first clue about PEDs and how they work.