Comments Thread For: Robert Garcia on Training Vergil Ortiz Again Ahead of 154-Pound Debut: '[It's] as If Nothing Ever Happened.'

[IronDanHamza]

Cheat? How exactly am I cheating?

Ok and your reasons don’t make logical sense hence why I’ve responded to them and am awaiting your justification.

That’s usually how it goes, you make a claim, you’re asked to justify it and when someone responds you then respond to that.


Are to going to respond or are you going to continue to run from it?

Firstly, are you saying it is not possible to reach Ngannou’s physique without PED use?

And secondly, Ngannou is assuredly on PED’s due to physique + age. First and foremost that is a ****** reason to assert someone is “assuredly on PEDs” but let’s continue.


Yet, Mayweather, who has an incredible physique, in fact he is substantially more cut than Ngannou is, was older than Ngannou is now when he was P4P #1, did 12 rounds for 15 years straight without every getting tired, was a clean athlete?

Explain how both of those can be at the same time?

You can run like a coward but you can’t hide. When you make statements they need to be justified.

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You've said Ngannou is assuredly on PED’s due to physique + age. First and foremost that is a ****** reason to assert someone is “assuredly on PEDs” but let’s continue.


Yet, Mayweather, who has an incredible physique, in fact he is substantially more cut than Ngannou is, was older than Ngannou is now when he was P4P #1, did 12 rounds for 15 years straight without every getting tired, was a clean athlete?

Explain how both of those can be at the same time?

You can run like a coward but you can’t hide. When you make statements they need to be justified.

Wait, are you saying here that his physique being down to being genetically gifted isn’t a possibility?

This also needs answering.

[ShoulderRoll]

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You've said Ngannou is assuredly on PED’s due to physique + age. First and foremost that is a ****** reason to assert someone is “assuredly on PEDs” but let’s continue.


Yet, Mayweather, who has an incredible physique, in fact he is substantially more cut than Ngannou is, was older than Ngannou is now when he was P4P #1, did 12 rounds for 15 years straight without every getting tired, was a clean athlete?

Explain how both of those can be at the same time?

You can run like a coward but you can’t hide. When you make statements they need to be justified.




This also needs answering.

If you think that’s a ****** reason then that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. But I disagree. Others have expressed su****ions about Ngannou being on steroids too, like Andrei Arlovski. So it’s not just me.

Floyd didn’t have a heavily muscled physique with very little body fat to the same extent that Ngannou does. Nice try.

[IronDanHamza]

If you think that’s a ****** reason then that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. But I disagree.

It is objectively a ****** reason. You can't say a fighter is "assuredly on PEDs" down to their physique, I have explained this to you in laymans terms already. You can say it about any elite fighter as the vast majority of them are in great shape that 99% of the general public will never attain. Thus why, it's ******.

Plus, we know demonstrably that a fighters physique and PED use isn't always linked, as explained to you before.

Ngannou's physique is no more su****ious than Floyd's. For a 150 lb man Floyd has a 1 in a million physique, he's ripped to shreds and holding a lot of muscle, particularly in his shoulders, at an older age than Ngannou.

How can you not see that blatant double standard?

Others have expressed su****ions about Ngannou being on steroids too, like Andrei Arlovski. So it’s not just me.

Rightttt so you now want to go down this road? You want to open the door up for people expressing su****ion?

Who do you think has had more su****ion about PED use between Mayweather and Ngannou? I'll give you a hint, it's not Ngannou.

How about the illegal IV's that Floyd was caught using? Not a reason for su****ion?

Floyd didn’t have a heavily muscled physique with very little body fat to the same extent that Ngannou does. Nice try.

Are you for real? For 150 lb man Floyd is HEAVILY muscled and has way less body fat than Ngannou and was OLDER than Ngannou.

How can you possibly suggest that one is assuredly on PED's due to solely physique and the other is clean?

Wait, are you saying here that his physique being down to being genetically gifted isn’t a possibility?

This also needs answering.

[ShoulderRoll]

It is objectively a ****** reason. You can't say a fighter is "assuredly on PEDs" down to their physique, I have explained this to you in laymans terms already. You can say it about any elite fighter as the vast majority of them are in great shape that 99% of the general public will never attain. Thus why, it's ******.

Plus, we know demonstrably that a fighters physique and PED use isn't always linked, as explained to you before.

Ngannou's physique is no more su****ious than Floyd's. For a 150 lb man Floyd has a 1 in a million physique, he's ripped to shreds and holding a lot of muscle, particularly in his shoulders, at an older age than Ngannou.

How can you not see that blatant double standard?



Rightttt so you now want to go down this road? You want to open the door up for people expressing su****ion?

Who do you think has had more su****ion about PED use between Mayweather and Ngannou? I'll give you a hint, it's not Ngannou.

How about the illegal IV's that Floyd was caught using? Not a reason for su****ion?



Are you for real? For 150 lb man Floyd is HEAVILY muscled and has way less body fat than Ngannou and was OLDER than Ngannou.

How can you possibly suggest that one is assuredly on PED's due to solely physique and the other is clean?




This also needs answering.

I said Ngannou is “almost assuredly” on PEDs. How many near-40 year old men are that heavily muscled AND cut at that age? Floyd certainly wasn’t. Maybe Wladimir Klitschko was…are you going to say he wasn’t su****ious too?

As far as who has more su****ion around them when it comes to PEDs I don’t know how you can even measure that objectively. But I feel pretty comfortable saying that there has been more chatter about Ngannou and steroids than about Floyd.

[IronDanHamza]

I said Ngannou is “almost assuredly” on PEDs. How many near-40 year old men are that heavily muscled AND cut at that age? Floyd certainly wasn’t. Maybe Wladimir Klitschko was…are you going to say he wasn’t sy****ious too?

I know a few actually. What are you trying to say? That it's not possible to attain Ngannou's physique without PED's?

Floyd absolutely was, which is the point that keeps flying over your head.

Floyd is 5 ft 6 and 150 lbs... Ngannou is 6 ft 4 and 270 lbs.

Floyd for his size is holding a substantial amount of muscle, with a body fat % if i had to guess of about 5%. Ngannou's body fat % being quite the bit higher than Floyd's.

And yes Vlad is su****ious, so is Floyd, so is Ngannou.

So is Pacquaio, so is Devin Haney, so is Usyk, so is Crawford. We would be here all day if we are going to list elite athletes who are su****ious of PED use.

Where YOUR problem lies is you only pick one guy out, Ngannou, and label him "assuredly" on PEDs. You then have NOTHING to back that up with outside of "physique" which you can say for practically ANY elite fighter that's ever lived. Which is why your position is ******, illogical, ignorant, misinformed and everything else related.

As far as who has more su****ion around them when it comes to PEDs I don’t know how you can even measure that objectively. But I feel pretty comfortable saying that there has been more chatter about Ngannou and steroids than about Floyd.

Are you not aware that Floyd was caught using an illegal IV?

Thomas Hauser wrote what was essentially a book on Floyd's alleged PED use.

For you to suggest that there is no su****ion around Floyd and potential PED use is asinine and frankly just untrue.

We have way more reason to be su****ious of Floyd than we do Ngannou, way more. Yet you deem Floyd clean. You don't see the problem here?

Wait, are you saying here that his physique being down to being genetically gifted isn’t a possibility?

This also needs answering.

[ShoulderRoll]

I know a few actually. What are you trying to say? That it's not possible to attain Ngannou's physique without PED's?

Floyd absolutely was, which is the point that keeps flying over your head.

Floyd is 5 ft 6 and 150 lbs... Ngannou is 6 ft 4 and 270 lbs.

Floyd for his size is holding a substantial amount of muscle, with a body fat % if i had to guess of about 5%. Ngannou's body fat % being quite the bit higher than Floyd's.

And yes Vlad is su****ious, so is Floyd, so is Ngannou.

So is Pacquaio, so is Devin Haney, so is Usyk, so is Crawford. We would be here all day if we are going to list elite athletes who are su****ious of PED use.

Where YOUR problem lies is you only pick one guy out, Ngannou, and label him "assuredly" on PEDs. You then have NOTHING to back that up with outside of "physique" which you can say for practically ANY elite fighter that's ever lived. Which is why your position is ******, illogical, ignorant, misinformed and everything else related.



Are you not aware that Floyd was caught using an illegal IV?

Thomas Hauser wrote what was essentially a book on Floyd's alleged PED use.

For you to suggest that there is no su****ion around Floyd and potential PED use is asinine and frankly just untrue.

We have way more reason to be su****ious of Floyd than we do Ngannou, way more. Yet you deem Floyd clean. You don't see the problem here?




This also needs answering.

Floyd had a retroactive the****utic use exemption for the IV. Nothing illegal about that.

Doesn’t make him more su****ious when it comes to steroids than Ngannou.

[Idunnoshet]

I've been in the gyms around Ortiz and Staniosis.

Not enough to make accusations.
But one thing I can say is Vergil is Huge for a WW.
Making weight must be a hassle.

Staniosis looked small compared to Vergil.


Funny thing is.
Vergils excuse for leaving Manny Robles and returning to Garcia was " he wanted to focus more on strength and conditioning".

[IronDanHamza]

Floyd had a retroactive the****utic use exemption for the IV. Nothing illegal about that.

Erm, no he got his exemption 3 weeks later. There was no exemption at the time he was caught using it.

At the time he was caught, he was using an IV which was illegal. That is a fact.

He later got an exemption, but that doesn't change the fact that he was using an illegal IV at the time he was caught using it. That isn't debatable.

Doesn’t make him more su****ious when it comes to steroids than Ngannou.

Getting caught with 750 ml across two IV sitting is NOT su****ious? Are you actually retarded? Honestly, at this point I think you have to be.

If that's not su****ious then what the fuck is? A guy that walks around at 150 lbs, using a 750ml IV for a 147 lb fight is not su****ious to you? What is this? Backwards day?

Just that one instance alone gives more reason for su****ion than anything Ngannou has ever shown us. Literally just that. Let alone the rest.

For you to assert Ngannou is assuredly on PEDs and Floyd is clean on just a surface level is just so ridiculous it's funny. It's bizarro world levels.

Wait, are you saying here that his physique being down to being genetically gifted isn’t a possibility?

This also needs answering.

Why do you keep avoiding it?

[ShoulderRoll]

Erm, no he got his exemption 3 weeks later. There was no exemption at the time he was caught using it.

At the time he was caught, he was using an IV which was illegal. That is a fact.

He later got an exemption, but that doesn't change the fact that he was using an illegal IV at the time he was caught using it. That isn't debatable.





Getting caught with 750 ml across two IV sitting is NOT su****ious? Are you actually retarded? Honestly, at this point I think you have to be.

If that's not su****ious then what the fuck is? A guy that walks around at 150 lbs, using a 750ml IV for a 147 lb fight is not su****ious to you? What is this? Backwards day?

Just that one instance alone gives more reason for su****ion than anything Ngannou has ever shown us. Literally just that. Let alone the rest.

For you to assert Ngannou is assuredly on PEDs and Floyd is clean on just a surface level is just so ridiculous it's funny. It's bizarro world levels.



This also needs answering.

Why do you keep avoiding it?

Good thing I typed retroactive the****utic use exemption. You do know what retroactive means, right?

Getting a saline infusion for dehydration (that was approved) is not more su****ious when it comes to steroids. That’s my opinion on that.

To say that Ngannou’s physique is all down to genetics strains credibility.

[IronDanHamza]

Good thing I typed retroactive the****utic use exemption. You do know what retroactive means, right?

Right... but that doesn't change the fact that he was caught using an illegal IV, does it?

At the time of using said illegal IV, there was no exemption. He was given the exemption after the fact.

Getting a saline infusion for dehydration (that was approved) is not more su****ious when it comes to steroids. That’s my opinion on that.

Not more su****ious than what?

And who was the exemption approved by?

To say that Ngannou’s physique is all down to genetics strains credibility.

Wait, are you saying here that his physique being down to being genetically gifted isn't a possibility?