Who should Morrell fight if not Benavidez or Canelo right now?

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  • Eff Pandas
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    #41
    Originally posted by kiaba360

    Benavidez got in front of the 168 queue because 168 is shallow. When you start rattling off David's best opponents, you'd wind up including the likes of Andrade and Lemieux. People should not be calling for Morrell to face Anthony fxxking Dirrell in 2024 if he wants to make a statement. Morrell would make Dirrell look like a stay-busy opponent.
    There's value in fighting guys ppl know more than Sena & Aidos aka guys ppl don't know. Morrell ain't GETTING a statement fight til more regular ppl gaf about him & only hardcore fans gaf about him now.

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      #42
      Originally posted by Eff Pandas

      There's value in fighting guys ppl know more than Sena & Aidos aka guys ppl don't know. Morrell ain't GETTING a statement fight til more regular ppl gaf about him & only hardcore fans gaf about him now.
      The value is on the exposure, but it doesn't do anything for his experience, you put lemiux, direll and uzcategui, and they're not going to last more than five, and that is adding up all three of them. So do you want him to get experience or exposure? Because there's only one fight to get both.

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        #43
        Originally posted by garfios
        The value is on the exposure, but it doesn't do anything for his experience, you put lemiux, direll and uzcategui, and they're not going to last more than five, and that is adding up all three of them. So do you want him to get experience or exposure? Because there's only one fight to get both.
        Its an entertainment business. So he's gonna need exposure to get to those high level name guys who'll give him experience.

        And its not like those name guys who are past prime but were at a high level at one point don't got some game left to show him some sh^t he ain't seen yet. And again he's fighting Sena & Aidos level guys right now. Thats not doing sh^t for him in any way except giving him a W. Fighting even a Dirrell or Uzi would be leaps & bounds better for him than those guys he is fighting today. Those Sena level guys might be more of a threat than Dirrell with their youth & what they got left, but Dirrell has forgotten more sh^t than Sena ever knew plus has name value that gives David M some rub with more fans.

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          #44
          Originally posted by Eff Pandas

          Its an entertainment business. So he's gonna need exposure to get to those high level name guys who'll give him experience.

          And its not like those name guys who are past prime but were at a high level at one point don't got some game left to show him some sh^t he ain't seen yet. And again he's fighting Sena & Aidos level guys right now. Thats not doing sh^t for him in any way except giving him a W. Fighting even a Dirrell or Uzi would be leaps & bounds better for him than those guys he is fighting today. Those Sena level guys might be more of a threat than Dirrell with their youth & what they got left, but Dirrell has forgotten more sh^t than Sena ever knew plus has name value that gives David M some rub with more fans.
          I really hope he face direll, he's going to forget what he have left, is not going to be pretty. Like I said before I agreed with exposure but those two you mentioning, I don't see offering any learning experience. Besides, he is past the point of fighting for experience do to his ranking he have to fight boxers above or at his level. We need to start praising young fighters that want to fight the top fighters in their division and he's not chasing the cash cow, he's chasing the boogeyman.
          Last edited by garfios; 12-21-2023, 09:19 PM.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Eff Pandas

            There's value in fighting guys ppl know more than Sena & Aidos aka guys ppl don't know. Morrell ain't GETTING a statement fight til more regular ppl gaf about him & only hardcore fans gaf about him now.
            I think Mbilli is a fight Morrell needs: a hungry high-ranked contender who's also being largely ignored because he lacks the exposure and he isn't American. I think the winner would put themselves right behind Benavidez and Plant.
            Last edited by kiaba360; 12-22-2023, 02:55 AM.

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              #46
              Originally posted by 4truth
              Bivol. He's probably bigger than Bivol anyway. By the time he gets to the front of the queue at 168, 168 might not even be an option for him
              Bivol lol gonna fade back into obscurity again.

              How dumb of him not to play on Canelo ego and get a rematch with him.

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                #47
                Originally posted by kiaba360

                I think Mbilli is a fight Morrell needs: a hungry high-ranked contender who's also being largely ignored because he lacks the exposure and he isn't American. I think the winner would put themselves right behind Benavidez and Plant.
                That fight should be great, but only hardcore knows who they're. The only name in the division that I can think of is plant, still in his prime, good boxer and some casuals has heard of him or saw his fight with ginger.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by garfios
                  I really hope he face direll, he's going to forget what he have left, is not going to be pretty. Like I said before I agreed with exposure but those two you mentioning, I don't see offering any learning experience. Besides, he is past the point of fighting for experience do to his ranking he have to fight boxers above or at his level. We need to start praising young fighters that want to fight the top fighters in their division and he's not chasing the cash cow, he's chasing the boogeyman.
                  Anyone who's done more than the guys he fought is some sort of learning exp. And look the division is the division. You can't fight guys that don't exist in this thin division. Right now David M has largely been fighting guys UNDER him in exp & skill. And he's not gonna find many guys who compete with him on the skill level so he needs to focus on guys with more exp. For where David M is at, top 5 in virtually all indie rankings I see, that puts his primary opp to rise him up more being other top 10 guys, guys who've held 168 belts, guys who've held belts in other div's who are now at 168, guys who's fought for belts at 168, guys who've fought for belts at other divs who are now at 168. In that order. Fighting these guys like Sena & Aidos who've done less than him & have less skills then him isn't doing a lot for him anymore in exp or exposure.

                  This is honestly a similar place David B was at awhile back when he was fighting Kyrone Davis, who was a bs nothing fight for him. His best opp up til then was probably Dirrell or Gavril (who are STILL better guys then David M has fought thus far). David B then fought an ex-belt guy, Lemieux, a top ten guy, Plant & a top ten guy, Andrade. David M needs to try to move like David M moved in the last ~18mos. He can hope a top two guys gives him a shot or he can get to a position, like David B is now, where the guy above him HAS to fight him or its an awful look for them.

                  I'm not invested much in guys wanting to fight top guys. EVERYONE who's on a high level wants to fight top guys. Whether they can hang right now or not they should want that. So it doesn't mean much to me & it'd say more to me, in a negative light, when a high level guy from 0-0 or 30-0 doesn't wanna fight a top guy. What I pay attention to more is how they move to get to fight those top guys where they've earned those top guy fights. And while David M, as a top ten level guy, deserves to fight anyone at the weight now, I'd argue he still needs to earn the top guy fights with his upside for the guys he'll fight. He's in the same position as Errol when Keef was the belt holder. David B has been in this position with trying to get the biggest name in the game or Plant to fight him a year-ish ago. He's in the same position as Boots with fighting top guys at 147 today. He's where a guy like Andy is gonna be soon at 135 with how good he's looking & how skilled he is. David M isn't on some island by himself. Plenty of guys have been in his position in the past & are in his position & will be in his position. And fighting top 50 guys, like he's been doing for awhile now, isn't gonna move him into a position where he's The Guy to fight for the top guys til more non-hardcore fans gaf about him fighting those top guys.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by kiaba360

                    I think Mbilli is a fight Morrell needs: a hungry high-ranked contender who's also being largely ignored because he lacks the exposure and he isn't American. I think the winner would put themselves right behind Benavidez and Plant.
                    To me thats the #1 fight they should be trying to make that is makeable next. Idk all the promotional issues with it so it might not be realistic for those reasons, but if that isn't an issue that should be the target on his next fight bullseye.

                    There are several guys above the guys David M has fought tho. So if that fight isn't makeable he should be fighting at least a random top 20 guy. Even a bump to the top 20 guys is a movement up for him opp-wise.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Eff Pandas

                      To me thats the #1 fight they should be trying to make that is makeable next. Idk all the promotional issues with it so it might not be realistic for those reasons, but if that isn't an issue that should be the target on his next fight bullseye.

                      There are several guys above the guys David M has fought tho. So if that fight isn't makeable he should be fighting at least a random top 20 guy. Even a bump to the top 20 guys is a movement up for him opp-wise.
                      Morrell will be on Amazon Prime cards. He is an easy co-main for people to see. There are at least 2 guys in the top he can fight to build profile. If his pedigree is real, he will **** them out.

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