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You can only fight the best guy that is available AND willing to fight you. If fighting the universal number one rated guy in the division at the time doesn't count because he wasn't as good as he was in his prime, then I can act dumb and argue that Crawford's demolition of Spence wasn't that impressive because Spence was past his best by the time Crawford finally fought him. /s
Narvaez at age 39 was still the universal best guy at 115 when Inoue fought him in 2014, rated above younger Cuadras and SSR. He was undefeated in 115 and a title holder, still very active and coming off 11 consecutive successful defense, most recent one being just 3 month prior.
Compared to that, despite being younger age wise compared to Narvaez back then, Cuadras was coming off a his fourth loss in the division and had a 15+ month break, having skipped all of 2021 after Estrada II loss in 2020 until fighting Bam in 2022. Heck ever since he lost his belt to Chocolatito in 2016, he hasn't won a title fight and wasn't even considered a top five caliber guy at the division anymore by the time he fought Bam.
SSR was rated much higher than Cuadras when Bam fought him but he was also beltless and coming off a 15 month layoff so if I wanted to be a negative hater I can use that against Bam's accomplishment.
Sunny and Fulton were both active champions rated top in their division still in their prime so full credit I agree, but after that Bam doesn't have much to show (yet...only a matter of time and soon he will own 115) and Inoue's win against Emmanual Rodriguez alone is better than the rest of Bam's wins right now. Heck even Tapales is probably better as a resume even considering he was damn lucky against MJ.
...Why the heck am I having to make a post to diss one of my top five favorite active boxers right now just days after his dominant unification win, dangit. By the way I love Bam and believe he will defeat anyone left in 115 now, especially with Estrada and Nakatani moving up to 118 next year (those two were the only likely candidate in 115 that could have been a good fight). The point is that if you want to claim Inoue's wins against Narvaez and Donaire aren't impressive because of age/context, then that argument is just as doable with Bam too.Comment
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Another example of brainlets just looking at names and not the context like whether they were shot. Edwards is british level C grade regardless of where he was ranked, and he struggled with him. I saw no p4p level talent. Thats why that concept is just dumb anyway.Comment
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These midgets usually have better resumes than the bigger men because there's no money in them fighting nobodies. They have to fight each other and unify if they want to get paid.Comment
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So to you, Crawford’s asterisk wins over aged or damaged put him higher than Bam because he switched stances?
Let’s be consistent.
If someone puts Inoue #1, I’ve got zero issue. I have him #1.
But there’s no damn chance that Crawford is above Bam Rodriguez. Sorry, but no. Crawford has the weakest resume of anyone in the Top 10. And I’m not giving him brownies for the Spence win. Even if he hadn’t ducked Boots and beat him, still wouldn’t.
In addition to Porter and Spence, Crawford would have had to beat (at the time) Danny Swift, Keef, pre-Keef Pacquiao and probably Ugas to make a legit claim.
I don’t even rate Bivol that damn high and certainly not over Canelo.Comment
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Crawford's schedule next year probably will make his P4P ranking fluctuate a crap ton.
After the worthless Spence rematch possibly in February, if he goes up to 154 and defeats Tszyu for a belt in the same year then it would likely keep him up near the top as the 4 division champ undisputed in two. However if all he does is rematch Spence then take another vacation then forget #1, he could very likely fall out of top 5.Comment
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He didn't look so damaged in the two previous fights before Spence after the accident(totally his fault) and was the unified 147lb champion. Why did he look so bad against Bud?
I have Inoue as p4p#1 there is no comparison even close today in boxing as it relates to recent wins and the dominant fashion in which fights were one.
As for Bam, he's a good fighter, has a good resume but I need to see more. Bam has time, as we say here, he's yung doe.Comment
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Don't know. And it frankly doesn't even really matter - all we do know is that he didn't physically look himself. Derrick James can say it wasn't weight drain - so then why does Spence want the rematch at 154? Because chances are he was weight drained but didn't want to make excuses.
Either way, we have to look at the two side-by-side.
Spence beat
- Porter (who had beaten Danny Swift) for WBC
- 147 undefeated Brook for IBF in Brook's home country
- Ugas (who had retired Manny) for WBA - AFTER Spence was in a second car wreck
Top 5 welterweights, all three of them, at the time.
Crawford beat Jeff Horn. And never challenged for any other title at 147. Even though he had a chance to fight Danny Swift and Keef.
So do you rate the guy who went to war and beat title holders for their belts (Tough), OR
Do you rate the guy who swooped in after the wars and took out the guy that did the heavy lifting (Smart)?
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More evidence you know nothing about these weight classes. Even to make that comment says you didn't follow them, and don't know what those fighters were doing at the time. Then to make a hypocritical comment like "put those numbers in context??" Are you really that ******? Look at what those fighters were doing then. THAT'S context, you fool. There's a reason they were all ranked in the top 5 by every credible third party organization, and that's the CONTEXT. FOH.Comment
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