Jesse Rodriguez has one of the best resumes in the business.

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  • famicommander
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    #21
    Originally posted by Leicesterage

    I said RESUME. Not whether you like how they fought.

    Only Inoue comes close. Period.
    Resume?

    Inoue, Crawford, Chocolatito, Canelo, Estrada, Donaire, Nietes, Ioka, Usyk, Lomachenko. That's 10 guys off the top of my head with at least three times as many good wins as Bam.

    Bam has had a great career so far including 3 awesome wins (Sor Rungvisai, Cuadras, and Edwards) but it's just plain nuts to try to put him up there with those other guys at this early point in his career.

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      #22
      Originally posted by famicommander

      Resume?

      Inoue, Crawford, Chocolatito, Canelo, Estrada, Donaire, Nietes, Ioka, Usyk, Lomachenko. That's 10 guys off the top of my head with at least three times as many good wins as Bam.

      Bam has had a great career so far including 3 awesome wins (Sor Rungvisai, Cuadras, and Edwards) but it's just plain nuts to try to put him up there with those other guys at this early point in his career.
      Is Inoue’s resume that much better than Bam’s?

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        #23
        Originally posted by -Kev-

        I’m surprised he’s not gunning for Chocolatito, supposedly out of respect. That’s another old fighter who’s ready to get sent to retirement.
        He and Chocolatito are both connected to the same promoter and they're good friends. He's said before he doesn't really want to fight Choc. I think he views it like fighting his brother almost. He's got plenty of great fights with Estrada and Ioka at 115, and who knows what the future holds. I think personally the toughest fight for him any time soon will be Junto Nakatani. That's another guy who's going places.

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          #24
          Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

          Is Inoue’s resume that much better than Bam’s?
          Yes. He's fought 12 world champions to Bam's 3. Soon to be 13. Most of them ranked in the top 4 at the time of fight. No active boxer has fought a higher percentage of world champions in their careers. Maybe not any other boxer ever. I haven't found any yet, anyways. 20 of 25 fights are title fights. Soon 21 of 26. He's got a 90% stoppage rate in TITLE fights. He's fought the best guy in the division in his divisional debut 3 times now. Crawford has fought maybe slightly better competition, but he's got a bunch of bums in there too. Inoue has only ever fought the best available competition. The best guys who aren't on his resume ducked him, not the other way around. He's the model for what fans want boxers to be, IMO. Always fights the best available guys, never imposes rehydration clauses or other restrictions, takes people on at their best. Never ducked anyone in his entire career.

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            #25
            Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07

            Yes. He's fought 12 world champions to Bam's 3. Soon to be 13. Most of them ranked in the top 4 at the time of fight. No active boxer has fought a higher percentage of world champions in their careers. Maybe not any other boxer ever. I haven't found any yet, anyways. 20 of 25 fights are title fights. Soon 21 of 26. He's got a 90% stoppage rate in TITLE fights. He's fought the best guy in the division in his divisional debut 3 times now. Crawford has fought maybe slightly better competition, but he's got a bunch of bums in there too. Inoue has only ever fought the best available competition. The best guys who aren't on his resume ducked him, not the other way around. He's the model for what fans want boxers to be, IMO. Always fights the best available guys, never imposes rehydration clauses or other restrictions, takes people on at their best. Never ducked anyone in his entire career.
            The quality of the 3 champions Bam has beaten is pretty high. I’d bet it’s higher than most of Inoue’s 13 outside a few.

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              #26
              Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

              Is Inoue’s resume that much better than Bam’s?
              Absolutely.

              Inoue's wins vs current/former/future world titlists and their TBRB rankings in the division he fought them in at the time of the fight:
              #10 Ryoichi Taguchi
              #1 Adrian Hernandez
              #1 Omar Narvaez
              #8 Kohei Kono
              #5 Jamie McDonnell
              #5 Juan Carlos Payano
              #6 Emmanuel Rodriguez
              #4 Nonito Donaire (unification)
              #8 Jason Moloney
              #2 Nonito Donaire (unification, lineal title fight)
              ​#8 Paul Butler (undisputed unification)
              #1 Stephen Fulton (for the unified titles)

              These guys all are/were/would be full world titlists. None of that regular, interim, gold, diamond, IBO nonsense.

              4 division world titlist
              2 division unified world titlist
              1 division undisputed and lineal champion
              3 wins in unification fights
              12 wins against world titlists​
              4 wins against the top rated fighter in his division (Inoue was #1 himself when he fought #2 Donaire)
              7 wins against TBRB top 5 opponents in their home division
              7 wins against reigning world titlists in their home division
              12 wins against TBRB top 10 opponents in their home division

              Inoue did it the hard way. He fought all these guys when they were ranked. He didn't pull them up to a different weight class, he didn't hit them with a catchweight, he didn't wait until 3 years after they were washed up just to put a name on his resume.
              Last edited by famicommander; 12-17-2023, 06:48 PM.

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                #27
                Originally posted by famicommander

                Absolutely.

                Inoue's wins vs current/former/future world titlists and their TBRB rankings in the division he fought them in at the time of the fight:
                #10 Ryoichi Taguchi
                #1 Adrian Hernandez
                #1 Omar Narvaez
                #8 Kohei Kono
                #5 Jamie McDonnell
                #5 Juan Carlos Payano
                #6 Emmanuel Rodriguez
                #4 Nonito Donaire (unification)
                #8 Jason Moloney
                #2 Nonito Donaire (unification, lineal title fight)
                ​#8 Paul Butler (undisputed unification)
                #1 Stephen Fulton (for the unified titles)

                These guys all are/were/would be full world titlists. None of that regular, interim, gold, diamond, IBO nonsense.

                4 division world titlist
                2 division unified world titlist
                1 division undisputed and lineal champion
                3 wins in unification fights
                12 wins against world titlists​
                4 wins against the top rated fighter in his division (Inoue was #1 himself when he fought #2 Donaire)
                7 wins against TBRB top 5 opponents in their home division
                7 wins against reigning world titlists in their home division
                12 wins against TBRB top 10 opponents in their home division

                Inoue did it the hard way. He fought all these guys when they were ranked. He didn't pull them up to a different weight class, he didn't hit them with a catchweight, he didn't wait until 3 years after they were washed up just to put a name on his resume.
                If you nitpick that list like how people like to nitpick Canelo’s resume I’m sure it can be taken apart.

                Narvaez was 39 years old, for example.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

                  If you nitpick that list like how people like to nitpick Canelo’s resume I’m sure it can be taken apart.

                  Narvaez was 39 years old, for example.
                  but innoue doesnt lose to the best like canelo or duck people for years and years like canelo. that has to give innoue the edge. also canelo is a ped cheat

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

                    If you nitpick that list like how people like to nitpick Canelo’s resume I’m sure it can be taken apart.

                    Narvaez was 39 years old, for example.
                    Narvaez was making his 28th title defense in his second weight class (12th defense in the division he fought Inoue), was ranked #1 by both TBRB and The Ring, had only lost one fight in his career to that point (to Nonito Donaire when he moved up in weight to challenge for the unified title), and won his next 5 fights after the Inoue loss until he lost a 12 round unanimous decision in a world title challenge against Zolani Tete four years later, again in a higher weight.

                    Only Inoue ever beat Narvaez at 115, and only Inoue ever stopped him. Nonito Donaire and Zolani Tete couldn't stop him even at a higher weight.
                    Last edited by famicommander; 12-17-2023, 07:46 PM.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

                      The quality of the 3 champions Bam has beaten is pretty high. I’d bet it’s higher than most of Inoue’s 13 outside a few.
                      Sounds like you don't know. Maybe if you followed the divisions you'd have something to say, but you might notice that none of us who do regularly follow these divisions are saying anything like what you do.

                      The guys Bam beat ducked Inoue. Didn't want any smoke from the Monster. McDonnell was #1 ranked by Ring like Sunny, for instance, but Inoue was moving up in weight, not down like Bam. Narváez and Donaire are every bit as good as Cuadras or SSR. Then you've got Hernandez, Fulton.

                      But Inoue is heading towards the end of his prime, and Bam is heading into his. I'm not even sure he IS prime yet, and he's still putting together a HOF career that's easily better than some people on the P4P list. Both are generational talents IMO.

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