Comments Thread For: Bill Haney: Devin Is No. 1 P4P; How Much Credit Can We Give Crawford For [Spence] Fight?

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how weak was the guy? i mean could he do a push up?

He could probably do a push up, Smash.

But not his max reps I bet.

[Smash]

He could probably do a push up, Smash.

But not his max reps I bet.

poor little lamb


maybe he should have kept quiet about retiring loma and saying stuff like

“I’m ending him. I’m putting a stop to his career. I’m going to embarrass him, and he’s not going to be the same after. I’m closing the chapter on Loma after this"

and then bill


“The warrant has already been served. Lomachenko will be sentenced,”

when he was in such a weak state, that just was not smart

[ShoulderRoll]

poor little lamb


maybe he should have kept quiet about retiring loma and saying stuff like

“I’m ending him. I’m putting a stop to his career. I’m going to embarrass him, and he’s not going to be the same after. I’m closing the chapter on Loma after this"

and then bill


“The warrant has already been served. Lomachenko will be sentenced,”

when he was in such a weak state, that just was not smart

He still got the win while in a weakened state so it was all good.

Now he is able to rehydrate to a more healthy weight and is even flashing some punching power now.

[Smash]

He still got the win while in a weakened state so it was all good.

Now he is able to rehydrate to a more healthy weight and is even flashing some punching power now.

hes not at a healthy weight, he will reach that at cruiser weight

[ShoulderRoll]

hes not at a healthy weight, he will reach that at cruiser weight

Possibly.

So imagine how much he must have been drained at 135.

[Smash]

Possibly.

So imagine how much he must have been drained at 135.

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[satiev1]

who is saying he was a weight bully? I’m saying he had to severely weaken himself to make 135 lbs.

Yet he was still able to beat lomachenko in that weakened state.

keep believing that bs.

[satiev1]

possibly.

So imagine how much he must have been drained at 135.

lmao. He's hydrating to 160 lbs still. At 135 lbs he was rehydrating the same amount just not too 160 lbs. It's no difference. He was gaining 25 lbs overnight at 135 lbs and 25 lbs at 140.

[Sheldon312]

No disrespect to Bill Haney but if Spence came into that bout depleted then it’s nobody’s fault but his own.

Given his inactivity, not fighting tuneups and fighting only three times in the past four years; While partying and living a very fast lifestyle.

All played roles in his body shutting down and becoming depleted. Chances are he probably didn’t even train much for that fight.

It’s more likely than not that he spent most of his time in training camp cutting weight. Which is a shame.

He has the biggest Goddamn fight of his career and yet he still comes into that bout both unprepared, unfocused and undisciplined.

He underestimated Crawford and took him lightly because of his lack of size and as result of it; He paid dearly for it.

This I agree but it has to be taken in cosideration when evaluating how great a fighter is. Looking at the speed of Spence jab and balance against Crawford and compare it to the past and you'll see something was wrong with him. Now Loma? Loma looked lke a prime Loma against Haney. So if we're being honest, Loma > Spence so an arguement could be made that Haney should be rated higher.

[Sheldon312]

The thing with Usyk's wins over AJ is that AJ was not considered the best in the division at the time. He simply collected belts from the likes of Martin and Parker, lost them once and got them back with his rematch clause and lost them again to the first decent fighter he faced.

Usyk's best achievement is really his cruiserweight run. His heavyweight run isn't much to brag about yet. He beat Chisora, a guy with a dozen losses and it was 115-113, Usyk's own team had it a draw. He beat Witherspoon. He beat Dubois in a fight he arguably should've been stopped in from a shot on the belt line. The AJ wins are fine but he's never been right since Ruiz folded him.

I have no problem putting Usyk in p4p rankings because he cleaned out cruiserweight actually beating the main men, but that was 4-5 years ago. I don't think his heavyweight run has been great as of yet, scraping past a shot Chisora by 1 round, arguably being knocked out by Dubois and beating a mentally shot AJ.

His cruiserweight resume and performances far exceed his heavyweight ones.


If we're talking about p4p fighters in more recent times that have got there by beating the best fighter available in the division and picking up all the belts, you're really basically looking at Crawford and Inoue. And i think they're the 2 best in the sport, even in terms of skill, so I think it's not a coincidence they're the top 2.

if you wanna say Floyd was a clear p4p in terms of both skill and his accolades, and I agree, I think you can also say Inoue and Crawford fit this criteria. I'd also say Usyk at cruiserweight undisputed fit the criteria, but that was half a decade ago. I don't think he fits the bill today because he needs to beat the best heavyweight, which he hasn't. Some of his performances like vs Chisora barely separated himself from a fringe Contender like Del. It's hardly the same as Inoue smashing Fulton is it?

The difference is Floyd defeated much better competition and Crawford has a lot of questionable wins.