Do you believe Deontay Wilder made $20 million in the Helenius fight?

[brettWall]

Truly depressing indeed. Poor Helenius. These people who are exaggerating figures
didn't even care about Helenius' case. They could have added an extra "0" on all those figures
and nobody would have bothered questioning them. This sport needs sincere investigative reporters
to expose the truth. People should not get away with writing obvious lies.

All you need is a YouTube channel. You can cite questionable figures, make those sources explain how they came up with those figures. One lie being proven wrong and made up would make their readers have second thoughts on trusting what they write.

[Boxfan83]

If he did, its no wonder why Showtime left boxing.

[Spray_resistant]

It is hard to believe, how exactly would anyone get a return on that? Its not going to draw a huge crowd or PPV buys. If he did get paid that well good for him.

[N/A]

Probably - I guess we all see how people get paid a tremendous amount of money for total craps.

[rickJen]

All you need is a YouTube channel. You can cite questionable figures, make those sources explain how they came up with those figures. One lie being proven wrong and made up would make their readers have second thoughts on trusting what they write.

The baseline purses for fairly big fights like Thurman vs Porter, for example, is still $900K to $1.5 million EVEN TO THIS DAY. It may even have decreased because as you can see broadcasters have all scrambled to get out of boxing. They're obviously not gaining anything from it, monetary or any type of benefit.

$20 million purse for an average fight, not even considered big, is just too damn hard to stomach. IT IS A HUGE LIE.

These exaggerations started when DAZN/Hearn started offering astronomic sums of money. Finkel and company and many fans thought boxing is truly back in the mainstream, especially the heavyweights.

They ignored the fact that DAZN was a startup company in boxing in which their business model is not based on PPV sales, but on subscription. That's what people ignored. DAZN went aggressive in its offers. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BOXING BEING BACK IN THE MAINSTREAM.

So now almost everyone is exaggerating figures based on Hearn's crazy offers in the past. Those days are gone.

[ELPacman]

Honestly, Wilder's stock grew tremendously even in his losses to Fury. They were exciting matches and as much as some would like to believe, you lose your zero and you're finished, it's simply not the case. See Arturo Gatti as an example. As long as you bring excitement and entertainment, people will pay to see you.

It wasn't just Wilder against a chump, it was Wilder's comeback since the Fury loss which was a year prior. People were excited again to see him back. They wanted to see if he could be his old self which meant a guarantee knockout.

Personally, a lot of fighters get overpaid and under deliver. Wilder always lives up to his trademark KO when it's someone not named Fury. That's what fans of his come to see and why he can still sell out.

[brettWall]

Honestly, Wilder's stock grew tremendously even in his losses to Fury. They were exciting matches and as much as some would like to believe, you lose your zero and you're finished, it's simply not the case. See Arturo Gatti as an example. As long as you bring excitement and entertainment, people will pay to see you.

It wasn't just Wilder against a chump, it was Wilder's comeback since the Fury loss which was a year prior. People were excited again to see him back. They wanted to see if he could be his old self which meant a guarantee knockout.

Personally, a lot of fighters get overpaid and under deliver. Wilder always lives up to his trademark KO when it's someone not named Fury. That's what fans of his come to see and why he can still sell out.

Even $3 million is hard to believe, let alone $20 mil. The sport is not in the business of losing money. If it's an investment why are they letting him go inactive? He should be fighting 3 times a year to get their investment back. Ruiz vs Wilder would have been a fight to make investors' mouth water. Not every fan is a huge fan of this division. I for one don't GAF about it.

[M312]

I don't get what this new contract with PBC is all about. Can anyone show a link?

The question in this thread is a very simple yes or no answer.
Do you believe Wilder made $20 million in the Helenius fight?

What does a new contract, if it exists at all, got to do with the question?

What's confusing?

DAZN offered Wilder $100m for 3 fights (2 with AJ, one with Breazeale), or 4 fights (the 3 mentioned plus another smaller fight for $20m between the two AJ fights).

His team refused, sacked DiBella for arranging the meeting (which put them in a difficult position), and gave Wilder a new minimum purse of a reported $12m+ to appease him and stay with PBC/Showtime.

They couldn't match DAZN by a long way, but still a huge payrise for Wilder who was previously making $2m.

This is all pretty much confirmed by many parties.

Wilder himself gor a big payrise but also said he rejected the enormous DAZN offer because he thought he would be worth more after beating Fury.... The rest is history.

Did he make $20m? Unlikely, but he was making $12m+ as a minimum on this contract, so MAYBE, but probably a little less.

Lets just say PBC/Showtime are probably delighted hes out of contract now.

You're welcome.

[rickJen]

What's confusing?

DAZN offered Wilder $100m for 3 fights (2 with AJ, one with Breazeale), or 4 fights (the 3 mentioned plus another smaller fight for $20m between the two AJ fights).

His team refused, sacked DiBella for arranging the meeting (which put them in a difficult position), and gave Wilder a new minimum purse of a reported $12m+ to appease him and stay with PBC/Showtime.

They couldn't match DAZN by a long way, but still a huge payrise for Wilder who was previously making $2m.

This is all pretty much confirmed by many parties.

Wilder himself gor a big payrise but also said he rejected the enormous DAZN offer because he thought he would be worth more after beating Fury.... The rest is history.

You're welcome.

Except Espinoza didn't go along with such payrise. And Showtime was PBC's main source of income.
Showtime Espinoza was an original member of Wilder's team when Deontay was waxing poetic about loyalty.
Obviously, Stephen had had enough of overpaying Wilder. He realized they were trying hard to match DAZN's offer
when the streaming platform's business model wasn't even based on PPV, but on mass subscription.
Showtime exec decided to bolt and pass Wilder fights on to Fox Sports with unknown budgetary situation.

[rickJen]

Even $3 million is hard to believe, let alone $20 mil. The sport is not in the business of losing money. If it's an investment why are they letting him go inactive? He should be fighting 3 times a year to get their investment back. Ruiz vs Wilder would have been a fight to make investors' mouth water. Not every fan is a huge fan of this division. I for one don't GAF about it.

That's what some people are not getting. The heavyweight division is dead in America.
Fans would rather have large gatherings watching fights in the lighter divisions.