Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder Trainer Says Fighters Have Been Turning Down '$4 Million' Payday: 'That's a Tragedy'

[Willow The Wisp]

Ruiz is a former title holder that knocked Joshua out and damaged him for life, and he has never been stopped. He has the tools to make it a long night for Wilder, he is fast with power and has boxing skills.

Wilder just got pummeled like a ragdoll twice by Fury. He fought a Helenius who apparently was told to fight like Fury, which he can't, and he walked into a ko shot in the first minute of the fight.

A Ruiz fight would show where Wilder is at this point, and he and his team do not want that. Why is Wilder Ruiz not a 50/50? Or at worst, 60/40. I believe they offered 70/30....that means Ruiz is leaving millions on the table for a fight with no belts and risk. And that means Wilder is leaving 5 million or more on the table because he is pricing himself out.

If Ruiz was a damaged walkover, ok. But he will give Wilder hell. And AJ probably beats Wilder. Those Fury beatings were brutal, Wilder does not want to fight anyone with a pulse and so he is pricing himself out and doing reality tv.

I was right there with you up until "AJ probably beats Wilder". Then the lights got turned on. That's only competitive if you handed Joshua a flame thrower, and even then I'd favor Wilder. A.J.s a thoroughbred athlete, but he never stands up to the heat Wilder brings every time, including two of the Fury fights. Never.

[Willow The Wisp]

wilder has a deal with the pbc that is not linked to attendance, ppv sales, or live gate. he made over 20 million to fight helenius even though the gate did 1.5 million and only sold 75k ppv buys. thats a massive money loser and im sure thats why he hasnt been fighting lately. pbc contractually has to pay him a certain amount per fight and they know he will cost them millions unless its a big big fight but wilder is ducking all the big big fights, hence wilder isnt fighting because pbc doesnt want to give him easy fights/lose money

He sure isn't ducking Ruiz or Joshua my friend.

[SSDnv]

wilder ducked ruiz. ruiz was entitled to 40 percent under the wbc eliminator guidelines and he only offered ruiz 30 percent by his own admission lol, then when wilder knew it would go to purse bid they simply stopped negotiations and blamed ruiz, and the wbc covered for wilder by moving ruiz down the rankings. they said its because ruiz has been inactive for a year, but guess what...wilder has been inactive for a year now and he hasnt been moved down their rankings. oops! im shocked the wbc did that...oh wait they are the same organization that fed wilder pbc bums for years.

send that 4 million offer to zhang buddy...oh wait you arent doing that are you

No way for WBC to had any double standards about inactivity or something! Jermall Charlo could confirm this.

[Willow The Wisp]

Put some respect on Wilder's name dude. He lost to Fury but let's not act like the fights weren't competitive. Wilder dropped Fury 4 times and arguably should have been awarded the win the first fight. Let's keep it current though. Wilder is the name and the fighter that sells the tickets. Whoever Ruiz fights outside of Wilder or Fury is not a PPV event. How is Wilder pricing himself out and he is the one making the offer to Ruiz? Ruiz is no where near the caliber of fighter to demand 15 to 20 million. So let him sit on the shelf until he is desperate. Then the price goes from 4 million to two million. That's how this works.

Those are truths. Fury is the best of the era because of taking the one real title by shutting out the former champion, and Wilder. Wilder is the 2nd best of the era because of Fury and more title defenses than anybody else in the era by far, of the same caliber as Fury and Joshua, in spite of the casual's 'Joshua fought the best comp' myth.

After those two, there's a pretty big gap before you get to Usyk, Joshua, Ruiz, Ortiz, Zhang, Joyce and the rest.

[pollywog]

After those two, there's a pretty big gap before you get to Usyk, Joshua, Ruiz, Ortiz, Zhang, Joyce and the rest.

Why do people rate Ruiz over Parker ?

In a rematch id still take Parker. Just like in a rematch with AJ I'd take Parker and AJ over Ruiz again too.

[tomhawq]

Is this "Wilder being ducked" narrative still in play? That seems to be what this trainer-turned manager/spokesman is suggesting here to the point of lying about some $4 million offer.

[Hustle]

No that's not a good comparison at all, Ortiz was undefeated and Wilder's first "real" opponent on the other hand when Ruiz fought him, he'd had multiple mediocre fights against the likes of Hammer, Kauffman and Martin...

He was right to compare Helenius vs Wilder and Ortiz vs Ruiz numbers as they represent the same thing - fighting two faded always have been mediocre opponents.

And two guys who think they're "A" side fighters and command the purse of said "A" side.

But realistically produce B side numbers, hence why they turned out very similar numbers in the aformentioned fights.

Wilder was coming off of a knockout loss. Ruiz wasnt.

Wilder clearly deserves more.

2 million ppvs > 100k ppvs

Simple mathematics

[Theshotyoudontsee]

Put some respect on Wilder's name dude. He lost to Fury but let's not act like the fights weren't competitive. Wilder dropped Fury 4 times and arguably should have been awarded the win the first fight. Let's keep it current though. Wilder is the name and the fighter that sells the tickets. Whoever Ruiz fights outside of Wilder or Fury is not a PPV event. How is Wilder pricing himself out and he is the one making the offer to Ruiz? Ruiz is no where near the caliber of fighter to demand 15 to 20 million. So let him sit on the shelf until he is desperate. Then the price goes from 4 million to two million. That's how this works.

Wilder got rag dolled and stopped twice. He has fought 90% total cans. Ruiz stopped AJ and it was the biggest upset in boxing that year.

I'm not saying it has to be 50/50, but Wilder could fight him for 60/40 and make probably 10 million, possibly more. If Ruiz's payday at 70/30 is 4 million bucks, Wilder apparently is going to get around 12 million. Up that to 60/40, which it has been pointed out in the comments, is the amount it should be.....WIlder makes around 10 million, Ruiz makes like 6 million. Which sounds right. That is called pricing yourself out, when you act like you want a former titleholder who KO'd a champion, and then you offer him 30 percent. If Wilder thought he could beat Ruiz with no issues, 60/40 would be easily done. He is walking away from ten million bucks. It is the opposite of what Malik is saying. Malik is just trying to make Wilder seem as if he is really looking for challenges.

Wilder had no intention of fighting Ruiz. He has no intention of fighting any real threat, or he would have done it by now. I honestly get the feeling that Wilder may be done, or that he may be looking for one more big payday and then he will retire. He will never be the Wilder he was pre-Fury, the Helenius fight was a farce.

I will put some respect on him. He has a damn near supernatural ability to fight when he is basically half out of it and hut, and he has a great right hand. But he is not a good fighter, and I believe he is done fighting any serious competition.

[Boro]

Wilder was coming off of a knockout loss. Ruiz wasnt.

Wilder clearly deserves more.

2 million ppvs > 100k ppvs

Simple mathematics

Your acting like Ruiz didn't do 1.6m against Joshua in the rematch making him Joshua's 3rd biggest opponent after Wlad and Parker and 100's of thousands more than the nearest opposition.

You’re being extremely disingenuous to disregard the AJ fight(s) and to also act like Wilder is the big draw in the Fury fight(s).

The only reason the subsequent fights were big(ger) is because Fury spun his fake depression and weight loss story also the way he got up in the 12th otherwise no one would care about the fights quite frankly...

[N/A]

So others reject up to 4 million, but we don't know what was for Wilder. Saying others reject certain amount could be understood like they were offered a flat fee. So we see the dosser wants to get most of the money if he faces a good opponent. Well, he's facing nobody now and is being criticised about that, ruining his thin name anyway.