Comments Thread For: Ryan Garcia, Terence Crawford Call for 'Reimagining' Boxing After News of Showtime Exit

[Oregonian]

[QUOTE=Raggamuffin;n32049580][QUOTE=Oregonian;n32048727]

You’ve stated why fighters have left Top Rank. We all know the facts. So now when it’s stated that SHO is dropped boxing, are you saying that the PBC didn’t have anything to do with that? Foh. They’ve overpaid their fighters and SHO was sick of not seeing big fights. ESPN has made the bigger more anticipated fights. SHO without Floyd has been trash and you know it. It took Spence years to finally come around to make a super ****en fight. Tank hasn’t fought anyone and I really can’t name anyone else outside of Wilder who has fought in a big PPC fight. People got tired of the PBC WW fights facade. SHO didn’t get the investment back that they made with the PBC and Haymon. The writing was on the wall.

They weren’t making the money that SHO wanted on the back end. SHO saw it as a waste and said goodbye to boxing. That’s the bottom line.

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I’m actually not disagreeing with you at all. Corporate America will ALWAYS find ways to plunder and loot people but when the tables turn, they either change laws or file for bankruptcy or discard while divisions as Showtime and HBO have proven.
Boxers demanding more money is just like actors demanding backend profits or huge upfront payments. Only difference is lots of movies do flop and actors do not risk their lives.

[dan-b]

Bob Arum went berserk and said on video that HBO don't have any right to match-make for them.

That's exactly what networks should be able to do. Veto power built into future contracts is the way to go, disempower the promoters.

[maguirre]

Bud Crawford was not the first. It was Andre Berto. But, anyways, it's not far-fetched HBO was willing to spend that kind of money on "potential." In the end HBO have had enough of it and demanded better fights for TC. Bob Arum went berserk and said on video that HBO don't have any right to match-make for them. Arum left HBO. HBO left boxing.

Excerpts from that video:
"...Nelson (HBO exec) doesn't have that vision and I'm not gonna let him screw up our prospects by taking away from us what is our great strength and that's the ability to match-make. And if that means frequently not on HBO, that's too bad we'll find a way."

"Nelson has some ideas of who Crawford should fight and if he persists in his ideas and HBO continues to back him, then we'll take Crawford elsewhere. In other words, we are a company that prides ourselves in putting on fights and match-making and we're not gonna let somebody else come in and do what we do best. Now, HBO is paying us money that fights on HBO, so they have the right and obligation to reject any fight that we give them, but they're not gonna match-make for me."

[MONGOOSE66]

Not true, Divas go straight to PPV, they are the lowest risk highest reward for the network. Actually boxing is profitable but when Paramount purchased Showtime they created two tons of debt. The network wants to keep the big money makers like Yellow Stone and move to cheaply made genres like reality TV and docudramas.

Yea, that makes sense since they’re all going belly up. You can’t promote a client without a platform. Regular TV ended decades ago. There was a time when you could watch boxing on Friday nights and Saturdays for FREE, then HBO and showtime took over introducing us to great developing talents. Turning them into house hold names. That’s all gone ladies. Boxing is fooked. Fox sports don’t do it no more and ESPN is the only one left. Forget DAZN. It’s on its way out too. Sheeitiest cards ever.

[Raggamuffin]

Yeah...and the numbers say almost all of the 10 biggest fights since Floyd/Pac involve Conor, that includes the biggest boxing match to happen during that time period.

The numbers also say that the UFC is the biggest combat sports promotion on the planet by a lot.

Before Floyd fought Conor and Pac. no UFC fighter came close to what he was earning. And no the numbers don’t say that the UFC is the biggest sports promotion on the planet, sorry lmao…

[Raggamuffin]

Lol at Crawford pitching in in the midst of Showtime exiting boxing.
Bobfather lost a lot of money on this fella. His Khan fight was a huge disaster.
Never budged for a paycut in the midst of covid. He's getting $1.2 mil for fighting bums
his entire career.

So who has Ennis fought where you feel he is being left out? And left out of what? He’s fought bums his entire ****en career so far.

[TMLT87]

And no the numbers don’t say that the UFC is the biggest sports promotion on the planet, sorry lmao…

Lmao are you for real? so what is then?

[factsarenice]

Yea, that makes sense since they’re all going belly up. You can’t promote a client without a platform. Regular TV ended decades ago. There was a time when you could watch boxing on Friday nights and Saturdays for FREE, then HBO and showtime took over introducing us to great developing talents. Turning them into house hold names. That’s all gone ladies. Boxing is fooked. Fox sports don’t do it no more and ESPN is the only one left. Forget DAZN. It’s on its way out too. Sheeitiest cards ever.

That's the problem....you can't promote new talent without an inexpensive network.