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Exactly. The "Musashi" strategy... You may be better, stronger, faster, but if I can make you back up, you lose most of your attributes. Joyce has to be able to move Zhang to be effective. Holyfield did it to Tyson, same idea, instead of moving back and away from the attack, push into the attack, Holyfield made Tyson off balanced, so his shots had no power. Joyce has got to do the same thing imo.
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The control for center ring will be more battle contested this time . Power didn’t make the overall result it was the speed and Zhang will always have that he’s very fast , Joyce won’t be going into a ring wondering why he’s getting hit clean so much this time . If Joyce times his punches right Zhang is going to be in real big trouble I believe he has to fight a perfect fight to win over Joyce .
At the end of the day Joyce can make mistakes just limit them he’s got the gas tank to outlast Zhang . Those few times Zhang took deep breaths after certain shots I suspect they will take its toll sooner then later this time around while Joyce imposes that physical attribute , last time he played the outside boxer and was relying on the jab to get inside the southpaw’s distance which is death sentence trading jabs .
Zhang was walking him right in line on the straight left in this one going to Zhangs own left side would work it takes away the power shot he needs a certain long Angle to land he throws it when opponents are moving to the right it he doesn’t land the same shot on the other Angle and that leaves only the left hook to watch for , if your going the other way to his right side the lead hand it’s both punches .
Moving to,Zhangs left takes away the direct path of his straight left he lines you up with because he relies on the lead hand in a a cross kind of punch stepping over the line to measure you but we’ll see what he does ? Simple things like this are telling me Joyce is going to win . He doesn’t really throw straight rights squarely they are cross like punches moving his opponents to the right side of him lLast edited by juggernaut666; 09-20-2023, 01:48 PM.Comment
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Joyce is the goods, he may have taken Zheng to lightly. We will see.Comment
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Most people will struggle to pick Joe Joyce to win.
But ask yourself this question? Did you pick him to win for the first fight?
I was 50/50 on the first fight, and believed that it was a unnecessary fight for Joyce 'It was not good match making'.
Tactically for Joyce to win this rematch, or give himself the best chance. I personally think he should use the same tactics, that he used vs Dubois.
Which where a solid jab, and educated movement. He may not be winning all of the rounds, in the first half of the fight 'But by fighting in this manner, he will increase his chances of surviving and not being whacked by Zhang as much'.
Then once the fight enters into the second half of the fight, Joyce should revert back to is default settings 'And just bull forward, and really pressurize Zhang's endurance'.
I still honestly think stylistically, it is a really difficulty fight for Joyce. As other posters have stated, Zhang is 270-280 pounds potentially on fight night 'And he has good speed, satisfactory boxing skills and punching technique'.
Joyce is going to most likely get whacked again. This time around Joyce will just have to minimize the damage sustained, take the fight into the second half of the fight 'Hopefully Joyce will be able to out work and beat up Zhang in the second half'.
Joyce has great endurance, but setting a high violent pace vs a fighter like Zhang who's power is right on the edge of Joyce's durability threshold 'Is a different game to fighting fighters like Parker'.
I think Joyce will try and out box Zhang, and maybe slowly amp up the pace as the rounds progress 'That is only if his minimized sustained damage'.
Note: Zhang has pretty much been the first fighter to vividly damage Joyce 'But I think Parker actually damaged Joyce a lot, I saw interviews during the aftermath of that fight and Joyce was clearly battered' etc.
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Controlling the fighting line, the point of entry. I do think the gas tank will become more relevant this time round. I also think Joyce wins this. Your technical points regarding the proper angles, eliminating punches all point to Joyce having to be more defensively responsible, which I think he can do by not letting Zhang walk him into big shots (as you say). Joyce knows he can take the shots...Comment
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Are we trying to pretend Joyce is a light footed mover with lightning speed or something? Someone's on the good stuff.
I think everyone with a functional brain knows he isn't going to learn head movement in a few months (or likely ever). His "defense" has always been to block punches with his face. That's not going to change. He's always been a plodding grinder. That's not going to change. Zhang has always had a suspect gas tank. Joyce's game plan is going to stay the same: win the war of attrition, outlast Zhang, and take over in the back half of the fight. More weight often can help with punch resistance. Doesn't really help with getting your eye caved in, but I don't really see any reason going back to his normal weight would HURT his chances.Comment
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