The top 4 heavyweights sure wrecked this era…

[Willow The Wisp]

People must understand that this "era" is over. Fury is done, Wilder is hardly top 5 guy, the same goes to Joshua. Usyk actually just lost to a fringe contender.

Top guys are Zhang, Hrgovic and others.

It's in transition, I agree. I wouldn't, myself, say "Done", however. But inevitably getting there.
Fury will make $50,000,000 for UFC GOAT Ngannou, and could, if he chooses, make an additional $100,000,000 for Usyk, another 100,000,000 for Zhang, and yet another 75,000,000 for Joshua even after Wilder has starched him, which would button up his domination of the era fully, and push his career earnings up past the $490,000,000.00 mark.
(Not a bad take for someone who isn't an all-time great).

For all the bluster found on posting boards like Boxing Scene about Fury being a less than standard steward of the title; somebody seems to think he's worth paying a few bucks.

I guess that is what we call a gap in perception and reality.


But indeed, the "Fury Era" era (2015 - 2025) is coming into it's final stages.

The snapshot today might look something like this, below, with the bold type names likely to fade into history by or very soon after 2025.

Champion -
Tyson Fury

1. Oleksandr Usyk
2. Deontay Wilder
3. Zhilei Zhang
4. Anthony Joshua
5. Andy Ruiz
6. Joe Joyce
7. Luis Ortiz
8. Daniel Dubois
9. Dillian Whyte
10.Martin Bakole
11.Filip Hrgovic
12.Derek Chisora
13.Joseph Parker
14. Michael Hunter
15.Frank Sanchez
16.Murat Gassiev
17.Arslanbek Makhmudov
18.Jarred Anderson
19.Kubrat Pulev
20.Efe Ajagba
21.Otto Wallin
22.Carlos Takam
23.Agit Kabayel
24.Robert Helenius
25.Tony Yoka

[Clegg]

I agree the fans should take some of the blame. When AJ-Wilder fell apart, they both had a fanbase that defended and supported them instead of demanding they make the fight.

The current network divide is worse than ever too. I liked the era where HBO was the big budget boxing network, Showtime medium budget, and ESPN picking up some good fights along the way. If we still had that balance now, most of the top 4 would've fought each other on HBO imo.

I will say I think Usyk deserves the least criticism of the 4, and Fury deserves the most.

[Pac=Duran]

Yea and they’re ****** advisors. Greedy pieces of ****.

[YGriffith]

Rankings in boxing as a whole dont even make sense, you'd think you can just fight your way to the top, but that's just not possible, contenders dont fight each other because the moment they lose, their chances at a belt are almost gone (except if the said contender is such a bum the champ will pick him for a "voluntary defense"), the top contenders now are almost the same contenders 2 or 3 years ago ( and that just awful and a testament to how weak the talent is) so they just basically sit and fight bums till someone blesses them witha title shot (frank sanchez, efe ajagba, joe joyce, zhang all should have fought for a title atleast atleast once, but no, the last 5 years had 10 title fights against the same 5 guys, 4 light touches and a single contender.

In 5 years, 4 titles were fought for only 10 times, 5 years of waiting for the contenders, that's pathetic.

We basically have to sit around for what? 5-8 years with the same faces?

[PRINCEKOOL]

I agree the fans should take some of the blame. When AJ-Wilder fell apart, they both had a fanbase that defended and supported them instead of demanding they make the fight.

The current network divide is worse than ever too. I liked the era where HBO was the big budget boxing network, Showtime medium budget, and ESPN picking up some good fights along the way. If we still had that balance now, most of the top 4 would've fought each other on HBO imo.

I will say I think Usyk deserves the least criticism of the 4, and Fury deserves the most.

Joshua fought Usyk twice back to back, when many advised him not to 'Joshua could of easily fought another opponent'.

Wilder forced his rematch with Tyson Fury through the courts.

Both Wilder and Joshua are now contenders, and trying to rebuild.

Joshua took on all comers, and lost his titles 'That's boxing'.

People don't want to admit it? But the Tyson Fury heavyweight reign is one of the worst Heavyweight reigns of the past 25 years 'Fury is not a great Champion'.

There is no need to group all other Heavyweights in with Fury, Wilder made 10 defenses of his titles 'He tried his best to be a good Champion, Joshua took on all comers'.

Tyson Fury is currently fighting non-boxers, after only making 3 titles defenses of his WBC Heavyweight title etc.

[JakeTheBoxer]

People that keep on saying Fury and Wilder are top 3 guys, are living in the past.

Fury is done and Wilder only beat Helenius since 2019. Get over it. This era is over.

[Willow The Wisp]

Joshua fought Usyk twice back to back, when many advised him not to 'Joshua could of easily fought another opponent'.

Wilder forced his rematch with Tyson Fury through the courts.

Both Wilder and Joshua are now contenders, and trying to rebuild.

Joshua took on all comers, and lost his titles 'That's boxing'.

People don't want to admit it? But the Tyson Fury heavyweight reign is one of the worst Heavyweight reigns of the past 25 years 'Fury is not a great Champion'.

There is no need to group all other Heavyweights in with Fury, Wilder made 10 defenses of his titles 'He tried his best to be a good Champion, Joshua took on all comers'.

Tyson Fury is currently fighting non-boxers, after only making 3 titles defenses of his WBC Heavyweight title etc.

I'm as angry at Tyson Fury as anyone, for his inactivity this year, holding the Actual Championship and WBC belt hostage is bad enough, but to then BRAG about it?
Not making any new fans that a way.

But I guess, if I'm being honest, he's still better than most belt holders in recent decades when it comes to succesful defending and keeping his titles.

Sucessful title defenses (Lineal, or Major Organization belt: WBC, WBA, IBF) in the post Ali eras:

Larry Holmes.............20
Wladimir Klitschko....18
Lennox Lewis............14
Vitali Klitschko..........11
Deontay Wilder..........10
Mike Tyson................10
Tyson Fury.................9
Evander Holyfield......7
Anthoney Joshua......7
George Foreman........5
Chris Byrd...................4
John Ruiz...................4
Nikolai Valuev............4
Alexander Povetkin...4
Michael Spinks..........3
Rid**** Bowe.............3
Ruslan Chagaev.........3
Mike Weaver..............2
Michael Moorer.........2
David Haye................2
Joseph Parker...........2
Oleksandr Usyk.........2
Pinklon Thomas........1
Olver McCall...............1
Bruce Seldon..............1
Hasim Rahman..........1
Oleg Maskaev............1
Sultan Ibragimov.......1
Ken Norton.................0
John Tate...................0
Gerrie Coetzee...........0
Greg Page..................0
Tony Tubbs................0
Tim Witherspoon.......0
Trevor Berbick............0
Bonecrusher Smith....0
Tony Tucker................0
Buster Douglas..........0
Frank Bruno...............0
Roy Jones Jr.............0
Charles Martin..........0
Lucas Browne...........0
Andy Ruiz Jr..............0

[PRINCEKOOL]

I'm as angry at Tyson Fury as anyone, for his inactivity this year, holding the Actual Championship and WBC belt hostage is bad enough, but to then BRAG about it?
Not making any new fans that a way.

But I guess, if I'm being honest, he's still better than most belt holders in recent decades when it comes to succesful defending and keeping his titles.

Sucessful title defenses (Lineal, or Major Organization belt: WBC, WBA, IBF) in the post Ali eras:

Larry Holmes.............20
Wladimir Klitschko....18
Lennox Lewis............14
Vitali Klitschko..........11
Deontay Wilder..........10
Mike Tyson................10
Tyson Fury.................9
Evander Holyfield......7
Anthoney Joshua......7
George Foreman........5
Chris Byrd...................4
John Ruiz...................4
Nikolai Valuev............4
Alexander Povetkin...4
Michael Spinks..........3
Rid**** Bowe.............3
Ruslan Chagaev.........3
Mike Weaver..............2
Michael Moorer.........2
David Haye................2
Joseph Parker...........2
Oleksandr Usyk.........2
Pinklon Thomas........1
Olver McCall...............1
Bruce Seldon..............1
Hasim Rahman..........1
Oleg Maskaev............1
Sultan Ibragimov.......1
Ken Norton.................0
John Tate...................0
Gerrie Coetzee...........0
Greg Page..................0
Tony Tubbs................0
Tim Witherspoon.......0
Trevor Berbick............0
Bonecrusher Smith....0
Tony Tucker................0
Buster Douglas..........0
Frank Bruno...............0
Roy Jones Jr.............0
Charles Martin..........0
Lucas Browne...........0
Andy Ruiz Jr..............0

Fury has not defended his titles 9 times. He has defended his WBC Title 3 times.

Fury lost his title when he disappeared unfortunately after his Kiltschko win.

Fury is a great fighter. But to date no matter what statistic games you play, nobody can rate him as a great Champion.

Even his own brother in his own words has stated this 'Fury's own brother stated that he does not rate him as a great Champion. Fury much prefers to be a underdog and a fighter chasing a title'.

Tyson Fury does not like being a Champion, he has not taking on all comers 'And by the looks of it, has no real intention to do so. That is not how historically great Champions behave'.

Deontay Wilder, Anthony Joshua were both statistically greater Heavyweight Champion's than Tyson Fury.

[Willow The Wisp]

Yes , the 1990's had both talent and depth. Holyfield fought everybody and Lewis, yes his chin could be exposed; his two KO losses happen when you fight 40+ matches at heavyweight vs. ranked contenders. Lewis fought 14+ ring ranked contenders. Fury, just three and one was old ( Wlad at 39 ). Upon reflection two ko losses happen under these circumstances . IE fighting 14+ ranked contenders.

A sample of the ranked contenders of 1992. You will see several hall of fame guys that were active, and Tyson was in prison for this ranking.


Title Vacant

1. Rid**** Bowe
2. Lennox Lewis
3. Evander Holyfield
4. Michael Moorer
5. Tony Tucker
6. George Foreman
7. Razor Ruddock
8. Ray Mercer
9. Tommy Morrison
10. Alex Garcia

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_1992

Doc,

Do you think Alex Garcia gets into the global top 10 tday?

[niceyboo3]

Repeated grade 9 for the 29th time

That girl you sit next to, is your [first 9th grade] best friend's daughter. So calm down cowboy..