Comments Thread For: Tim Bradley: Terence Crawford Would Beat a Prime Floyd Mayweather!

[Nightfall]

Mayweather would pretty much have to get caught with and big shot and taken out right at that point. Nobody including Crawford is winning 7 round in a fight against Mayweather period

[Oregonian]

Look I am not a Floyd hater so chill out. No one can deny the dude at WW was astonishing how hard he was to hit. Truly atg stuff when it comes to that.

This is an anonymous forum, none of us need to front or feel like we need to defend our favorites, on a side note.

But man, prime Pacquiao. Marquez's coach quote about him was hes a wild cheetah that doesnt get tired. Pacs work rate was incredible. A buzz saw work rate. Pac steadily slowed down over his 30s. You could see his work rate start to drop. And then you saw how he really couldnt keep it going when he fight Thurman. Its natural.

Floyd clearly didn't fight a prime Pacquiao. If you look at the highlights of Cotto before he got into his famous wars, he looked so crazy dangerous. Just far far faster and more explosive. That first time Floyd retired was when early killer Cotto that ppl highly regarded, I thought his uncle said something that implied Floyd retired partly due to not really wanting to fight Cotto.

The most obvious example is Mosley.

Look the most obvious and wrong counter is, well Floyd aged at the exact same amount, its not like he was frozen in time. But the dude didn't get into wars, so was well positioned to fight guys who were warriors who took a lot of tough fights. Those guys were not the same fighters. And Mosley was just old as hell. Yes, Mosley didnt give Floyd the fight for a shortwhile, that just really justify Floyd only fighting him once he wasnt a threat.

Thats the reason ppl say Floyd was selective. It’s not exactly an unheard of opinion. You even gots the likes of ESPN anchors saying this.

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Fair enough, I will uphold the decorum and ethics of having a discourse.

Let’s start with Mosley. Assuming Floyd waited for him to age, When should Floyd have faced Mosley?

Two, Floyd is the greatest defensive counter puncher boxer ever by most accounts, if Marquez was able to drop PAC (3rd round) and then KO him, are you stating that same PAC would have beaten Floyd when he couldn’t beat Marquez at any weight?

As for Cotto, Bob Arum is on record stating he was not going to allow Cotto to fight Floyd. Also, when Floyd moved up to 140 in 2005, Cotto’s uncle said Cotto wasn’t ready for Floyd. Cotto acknowledged this in 2012 during the promotion of his fight with Floyd.

[Apollo7]

My money would be on Floyd but I wouldn't be super confident. This is the sort of match up that would warrant a trilogy.

[Oregonian]

IMO floydie would've never fought Crawford... he'd have avoided him just like he conveniently
never fought Margarito, never fought a prime Mosely or prime Pac. And he'd have had plenty
of excuses. Yes, great fighter... but not a GOAT. Time will tell if Bud gets that distinction, and it's
likely he will... just so it doesn't fight into his 40s. IMO greats Roy and Hopkins just stayed in there too long.

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When would you say Mosley was in his prime?
Marquez destroyed a “prime” PAC and Floyd couldn’t?

[Oregonian]

Only humorous characteristic in this conversation is your comprehension struggles. Maybe it's because you are looking to debate rather than actually understand the purpose of the comment. Or maybe it's just because you don't really understand what is being said..... Regardless, I'm not interest in suggesting when something "should have happened" in history as it does no one any good, nor does it help this conversation.. Fact is....the didn't happen when we as fans first called for it...... Also, I never mentioned Oscar....which further lets me know, rather than you trying to understand what I was saying, you had already started the debate in your head and threw other names in the pot for a response.

You can act like the Floyd sought after and fought all of his opponents in their prime. Realistically, we know he did not. Especially later in his career. No knock on it, we still support and love him for who he was to the sport. The debate you are looking for, you won't get here. You should probably pack you emotions back in your bag and keep it moving.

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The reason you cannot give a time frame for Mosley is because you are well aware you will be exposed.
But I will give you a prime Mosley - A prime Mosley fought Oscar in 2000 and 2003. In between those fights he fought Forest and others.

Now, to show you how you truly are a casual fan, Floyd was fighting at 130Ibs in 2000. Floyd moved to 140 in 2005 and then 147 in 2006.

You are basically saying Floyd should have moved 3 weight classes to fight Mosley. How the heck did Floyd duck Mosley (or Oscar) when they weren’t in the same weight class.

People like you will be saying Shakur ducked Crawford in 2023 because he didn’t jump 3 weight class to fight him. That’s what you are doing with the malarkey about Floyd ducking guys that weren’t in his weight classes. Unbelievable stuff!

[Mister Wolf]

35 year old Floyd vs 35 year old Bud would be an amazing fight.

[Oregonian]

that isn't the same logic at all. If you said that Floyd was better by far than anyone that Crawford faced at welter, that would be the same logic. What you are saying is something totally different.

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Nope.
What that poster stated was that Crawford beat all his opponents way better than Floyd beat his. And my point is were Crawford’s opponents better than Floyd’s? The answer is a big no.
Cotto, Mosley, PAC, Oscar, Zab etc ALL outrank Avanesyan, Khan, Brook, Kavaliauskas in historical rankings and accomplishments.

You argue against that means you are arguing against every single expert

[Bostonfear]

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Fair enough, I will uphold the decorum and ethics of having a discourse.

Let’s start with Mosley. Assuming Floyd waited for him to age, When should Floyd have faced Mosley?

Two, Floyd is the greatest defensive counter puncher boxer ever by most accounts, if Marquez was able to drop PAC (3rd round) and then KO him, are you stating that same PAC would have beaten Floyd when he couldn’t beat Marquez at any weight?

As for Cotto, Bob Arum is on record stating he was not going to allow Cotto to fight Floyd. Also, when Floyd moved up to 140 in 2005, Cotto’s uncle said Cotto wasn’t ready for Floyd. Cotto acknowledged this in 2012 during the promotion of his fight with Floyd.

When Mosley was held the belt for a shortwhile, Floyd called for the fight and Mosley said no. But that was a very small window of time. Mosley had been calling out Floyd and begging for the fight for a better part of a decade. Basically Floyd couldve fought him before his first retirement and certainly right when he came back from that retirement. I think it was literally like a whole decade Floyd coulda fought him, but he always retorted, you didnt give me the fight, why should I give it to you? Mosley had that straight left that goes straight through the Philly shell. A shell of Mosley probably hurt Floyd more than anyone else.

Mosley was a name and a money fight for a long time. Floyd fought him when he was 40 and obviously way way past it.

Styles make fights. JMM style matched up to Pacs uniquely well. But a prime Pac wouldve actually matched up to Floyd. That work rate and speed, and of course, being a southpaw with a great straight left is the counter to an orthodox philly shell. Its the only lane that is exposed. Floyd is not a counter puncher like JMM. And anyway Floyd had stopped sitting down on his punches by then, he was unwilling and perhaps unable to really hurt most fighters by then.

Floyd has said it himself. He said F the fans, F the audience, F everyone. If he loses or gets hurt, where will the fans be? This is a buisness and his job is to make as much money as easily as possible. He said all that stuff almost verbatim. Its a stark contrast to other fighters who wanna fight everyone in their division. Floyd just wasnt ever that guy.

There was a period in time, Right when Floyd retired, his natural rivals were Mosley, Cotto and Pac. And he retired, and never fought them at their primes. He technically beat them. But it woulda been like if Sugar Ray Leonard waited until after Duran had his wars and then decided to fight him at the end of his career. Its just not the same thing.

Maybe he woulda beaten all of them if he fought them in their primes. But I think prime pac woulda matched up to Floyd really well back then. Floyd many people will argue is the greatest of his generation, but just being real there is a lot of nuance to his career. He just wasn't this dude who was going to fight everyone. For half of his career he was incredibly shrewd about who he fought and when.

I think you can as a hypothetical Floyd fan, still easily argue he was the best of his era, and also acknowledge he was selective and careful about who he fought. He did that, well because if you want to keep your 0, and are obsessed with not losing, that's the smart thing to do. Keeping that 0 is what allowed him to keep luring in partners for big fights, since Floyds numbers always depended on him fighting other cash cows.

[4truth]

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Nope.
What that poster stated was that Crawford beat all his opponents way better than Floyd beat his. And my point is were Crawford’s opponents better than Floyd’s? The answer is a big no.
Cotto, Mosley, PAC, Oscar, Zab etc ALL outrank Avanesyan, Khan, Brook, Kavaliauskas in historical rankings and accomplishments.

You argue against that means you are arguing against every single expert

The poster (me) said no such thing. The poster has spent too many years trying to argue logic to illogical Mayweather groupies, to bother arguing again the point you seem to want to argue.

what I said, in response to the question posed by this thread, was exactly this

"Not impossible, maybe. He's better by far than the version of anyone else Floyd faced at Welterweight."

translation: Crawford would be better than any other welter Floyd ever fought, considering the faded versions of those welterweights that Floyd actually fought.

[_Maxi]

Delusional…Floyd is all wrong for Crawford. Styles make fights. A counter puncher vs a counter puncher…superior speed, timing, and defense wins. He would make Crawford the aggressor and counter him.

Best version of Spence has better chance then Crawford pre accident of beating Floyd with his pressure style and skills.

Y’all don’t know boxing.

Hahahahahahahahaa.

Tell me... did you also pick Spence to beat Crawford last Saturday? Someone that doesn't know **** about boxing telling others they don't know **** about boxing...

Crawford is not one dimensional he can fight many styles and stances, and has even better reach than Floyd. And can actually Knock the **** out a big welterweight.