So, Wilder`s claim to fame is...

[champion4ever]

I was going to say that very few HW champs had as many title defences against absolute cream puffs as Wilder. Then I realised that no HW champion ever had as many title defences against absolute cream puffs as Wilder had.

Then what does that say about your hero Tyson Fury who defeated this cream puff? Your argument diminishes his two knockout victories overWilder if he was never shit to begin with.

Also, if your statement is true; Then why did Anthony Joshua duck him back in 2018 and why is Andy Ruiz ducking this former champion who has only defeated cream puffs now as well.

[daggum]

Then what does that say about your hero Tyson Fury who defeated this cream puff? Your argument diminishes his two knockout victories overWilder if he was never shit to begin with.

Also, if your statement is true; Then why did Anthony Joshua duck him back in 2018 and why is Andy Ruiz ducking this former champion who has only defeated cream puffs now as well.

because he didnt. it was wilder who ducked but you were tricked. joshua offered him 100 million and wilder ran away and made much less. even before that wilder was fighting for a million dollars a fight and joshua offered him 12 million but wilder fans like to lie and say that was a low ball? nonsensical. illogical. so not sure what you are talking about. the 50 million wilder offered joshua? do some research, joshua made much more than that signing with dazn on a long term deal then after that offered wilder 100 million to join him on dazn. joshua parlayed wilders offer into much more money for himself while still trying to make the fight, wilder ducked joshua to make less money and not fight joshua! thats pathetic.

[Rockybigblower]

most of his fights were not mandatories and we know there is promoter manipulation in who does and does not become mandatory. for example it should have been dillian whyte but the wbc passed him over and let breazele who was ranked lower fight eric molina who was ranked even lower for a mandatory position. thats how wilder ended up with a pbc opponent as mandatory instead of a legit ranked opponent. stiverne also was his mandatory even though he had 1 fight in 2 and a half years against a nobody. how did that happen...magic

There is no such thing as a mandatory any more. "Mandatories" today are stuck in an endless cycle of fight another opponent to be able to stay mandatory...without ever getting a shot.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I was going to say that very few HW champs had as many title defences against absolute cream puffs as Wilder. Then I realised that no HW champion ever had as many title defences against absolute cream puffs as Wilder had.

They were all ranked fighters. Vitali and Wlad regularly defended against similar calibre opponents.

Whichever way you wanna try and spin it, 10 defences is historically impressive.

[daggum]

There is no such thing as a mandatory any more. "Mandatories" today are stuck in an endless cycle of fight another opponent to be able to stay mandatory...without ever getting a shot.

unless you are breazele, Breazeale entered the fight ranked No. 6 by the WBC, six spots ahead of the 12th-ranked Molina. wow thats all it takes? i wonder who was ranked #1? oh whyte...no shot for him. no eliminator for him against a random bum. funny how that works out so well for everyone involved in the pbc

[crimsonfalcon07]

most of his fights were not mandatories and we know there is promoter manipulation in who does and does not become mandatory. for example it should have been dillian whyte but the wbc passed him over and let breazele who was ranked lower fight eric molina who was ranked even lower for a mandatory position. thats how wilder ended up with a pbc opponent as mandatory instead of a legit ranked opponent. stiverne also was his mandatory even though he had 1 fight in 2 and a half years against a nobody. how did that happen...magic

So take it up with WBC. Don't see you hating on them OR on Tyson Fury, who's the one holding up the division, and has been the whole time. The argument doesn't hold up. If we're rating Klitschko so highly as a single entry on the resume, AJ should be getting that credit too, and Usyk should get a lot more love for having conquered AJ twice. Especially because Fury got immediately busted for doping after that fight. And if Fury is so great, then Wilder should get credit for putting him on the canvas 4 times.

Fury also arguably should have lost to John McDermott in 2009, and got knocked down by what you'd call bums twice also. I'm pretty sure Wilder has only been knocked down by Fury.

Wilder was scheduled to fight tougher opponents on most of the occasions that ended up being voluntaries because his ranked opponents kept failing drug tests. Povetkin, Arreola, Wawrzyk, Ortiz, Stiverne, and Fury all failed drug tests at one point or another.

He's not a skilled boxer by any stretch, but there's no reason to crap on his career. Starting late at age 20, and getting an Olympic bronze medal after only 3 years, and world champion after 10 years, then reigning for 5 years despite his lack of skill is not insignificant. More than most on this forum have accomplished at any rate.

[jethro66]

Wilder's claim to fame is he did not fight one Klitschko brother, while AJ and Fury did

[Zelda]

title defenses against who though? its worthless if you arent beating good comp and wilder was not beating good comp. lets compare things. joe louis has 14 top 10 wins in his defenses(many against guys ranked 1, 2, or 3) not to mention he beat a much better fighter in order to win the lineal title. wilder has 2 top 10 wins in his defenses...against the same guy who was ranked 5th and then 6th.

ali had 7 of his first 9 defenses against top 10 guys, then 8 out of 10 in his next title run, ali has 26 top 10 wins overall in his career to wilders 3. ali has beaten 17 top 3 fighters to wilders 1. its a simple quality vs quantity argument. wilder would have a grand total of 0 defenses if he was in the 1 belt era which you arent factoring in.

We aren't comparing Wilder with Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali. The whole discussion is around Wilder and Ruiz. What claim to fame does Ruiz have? How many title defenses have Ruiz done? zero.

[daggum]

So take it up with WBC. Don't see you hating on them OR on Tyson Fury, who's the one holding up the division, and has been the whole time. The argument doesn't hold up. If we're rating Klitschko so highly as a single entry on the resume, AJ should be getting that credit too, and Usyk should get a lot more love for having conquered AJ twice. Especially because Fury got immediately busted for doping after that fight. And if Fury is so great, then Wilder should get credit for putting him on the canvas 4 times.

Fury also arguably should have lost to John McDermott in 2009, and got knocked down by what you'd call bums twice also. I'm pretty sure Wilder has only been knocked down by Fury.

Wilder was scheduled to fight tougher opponents on most of the occasions that ended up being voluntaries because his ranked opponents kept failing drug tests. Povetkin, Arreola, Wawrzyk, Ortiz, Stiverne, and Fury all failed drug tests at one point or another.

He's not a skilled boxer by any stretch, but there's no reason to crap on his career. Starting late at age 20, and getting an Olympic bronze medal after only 3 years, and world champion after 10 years, then reigning for 5 years despite his lack of skill is not insignificant. More than most on this forum have accomplished at any rate.

sure there is. his career has been crappy. why sugar coat it? its not like hes some random from nowhere who couldnt get the fights. hes been on the biggest stage and had the biggest support in boxing yet his resume is this? choices were made and they wanted easy pickings. you dont get credit for that. you get credit for what you have accomplished and thats very little. not nothing but just very little.

[daggum]

We aren't comparing Wilder with Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali. The whole discussion is around Wilder and Ruiz. What claim to fame does Ruiz have? How many title defenses have Ruiz done? zero.

someone compared wilder to ali and said they had the same amount of consecutive defenses. i was just responding with facts about how terrible his resume is in comparison to guys like ali. if you want to compare wilder to ruiz, ruiz clearly comes out on top. ruiz's claim to fame is beating undefeated joshua who was #1 in the division. wilders claim to fame is beating ortiz who was ranked #5. oh ruiz also beat ortiz who was still ranked #6 when they fought. wilder has more title defenses...against who though? bums and tomato cans. when you have 10 title defenses and only 1 top 10 win in there...thats a sign you are doing something wrong, not that you are doing something right by racking up easy defenses. you should ask what claim to fame does wilder have? and the answer is oh he knocked out a bunch of tomato cans. why are you impressed by that is another question.