Pacquiao Could Retire Without Mayweather, Says Roach

[eazy_mas]

I think Roach is right but what makes him look bad is that he been calling around Mayweather for sometime and trash talkin alot about Mayweather.

[jetgeomcx]

if Manny doesn't fight Floyd it'll look like he's duckin' him.....not sayin' he is....but thats how the boxing community usually judge moves like that!!!.....Floyd retired without fighting Cotto.......and we all know the songs that were sung by boxing fans all over...."Floyd is duckin' Cotto".....so if Manny doesn't make this fight happen......the Pac fans will have to get used to hearin' that song!!!.....it is what it is!!!

i don't believe it to be ducking if manny chooses not to fyt a bigger foe anymore.
but i wouldn't mind hearing the same song.
it would be bittersweet to know that floyd got a dose of his own medicine....ducking by retiring !
who will floyd fyt for big money without pacman....it better be sugar, margo or pwill.
otherwise floyd will retire "broke" and heartbroken!!

its amazing and disrespectful of how they are over looking cotto, always talking about Mayweather this and that how PacBum should get more money how PacBum doesnt need FMJ, they'll be begging Mayweather for a fight if he loses to cotto which most likely will happen. Cotto by KO 7th round

u got measly epoints to bet on.
post a lot more and we can bet later on.

I need for Cotto to beat PAC and FMJ will beat Cotto; then all you *******s and Cotto lovers will be gone off NSB!!!! We will only have to deal with the 'Shame' Mosley fans who are a lot more boxing savvy.

you're not even a "boxing savvy" yourself!!
why resort to name-calling?? that is childish!!

Option1.If Pacquiao beats Cotto...He should fight Mosley. IF he beats Mosley he becomes the #1 WW in the world [that come from 106lbs] and hes still the #1p4p in the world.... Why fight Mayweather lol...who the hell is he and what does he have that Manny dont lol...

Option2 If Manny beats Cotto then some could argue that {**** the ratings} Cotto was the best WW. He has a great resume, even better than Floyd's when it comes to quality of opposition. Also cotto even beat the #1 guy SSM, so why fight Mosley! Again why fight Floyd what does he have that Manny dont.

Manny has money. Dont need Floyd to have money. Floyd needs money and needs Manny to do it. Id love Manny to do option 1 , and retire and leave Floyd on dry street and saying ,"who fighting leftover now *****"!

hahaha....what a scenario, brah!
this is what i also drew in my mind.
manny to retire after cotdto (or marquez)...and let floy fume in disgust for not earning enough $$$ against a showdown with manny.
this is what i called "a doze of his (floyd) own medicine"...
let them haters call manny whatever they like...manny won't give a damn.
he got 7 belts in 7 different divs,..first ever diamond belt holder (for whatever it means/worth).. p4p#1 during retirement and surefire amongst the short list G.O.A.T.....all of which floyd doesnt have 'cept p4p#1.

Mannys desire to become a politican doesn't really sit well with me.. is he even educated? He seems to be powerhungry, and is planing to use his enormous public appeal to become powerful...

if he goes through with it, which he probably will, I'll lose alot of respect for him.

manny graduated at the Notre Dame University in gensan (AB bizniz administration?).
he has that desire to help the needy, the poor; of which he once was.
and people will give him the chance to prove himself...don't judge him just yet.

i dont see why people keep talking about pbf vs manny because he still has to get past cotto which aint going to be easy.pac losses to cotto and then there will be marquez vs pacman 3rd and cotto vs pbf in 2010

these are just scenarios and speculations...
your pairings are likewise scenarios that can happen...maybe not!
nobody is damn sure until Nov.14.

the reality is that floyd doesnt need many and the same for manny he doest need floyd. unless floyd fights the top welterweights soon he'll be remembered as the undefeated fighter who didn't fight the best. if many doesn't finish marquez then there's a question mark there for manny's p4p crown. if floyd fights manny and knocks him out, which means nothing cause manny's so small. manny beats floyd then thats a different story manny beat supposedly the best out there and a much bigger man. but manny has to get past another much bigger man first in cotto. and cotto just happens to be very strong and good. so after nov 14 then we'll see what the landscape looks like.

i agree except for one....
no doubt the fyts with jmm were very close.
but it should not put a question mark on manny's p4p status.
his last 3 fyts against bigger foes made the decision makers to award manny the p4p king diadem.

pac will throw one two's at cotto then run all over the ring. as soon as he tries to stay in front of cotto then the little ****y midget will get his head knocked off. i say cotto wins by 7th round stoppage.so there won't be a pac vs pbf anyway

i'd say cotto will cut by the 6th.
i'll say it again...manny's fists have developed some kind of razors!!

[pugay_kamay]

Freddie already making excuses. Why not try and make the fight happen, instead of making comments like this?

IMO I don't think roach is just making excuses, but rather a ploy, a reverse psychology. I think he's luring Floyd and I don't think Manny will duck Floyd as Manny already expressed this before, that IF he wins against Cotto and Floyd wins against JMM (w/c he did), then it should be PAC vs Floyd.

[KOKing27]

It's called negotiation tactics people.

Who does Mayweather have to fight: Shane Mosley, Antonio Margarito (if he is allowed to fight again) and Cotto if he beats Pacman and Pacman if he beats Cotto. (Mayweather will NEVER fight Paul Williams, I'd bet my life on that)...

Who does Pacman have to fight: Shane Mosley, Antonio Margarito (Pac said he would fight him), Edwin Valero, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr, rubber match with JMM, Humberto Soto, rematch with Cotto (if close or controversial), etc.

You see the point! The possibilities for Pacman are endless. Mayweather needs this fight more than Pacman does and that's the bottom line.

[handler000]

[QUOTE=jetgeomcx;6217307]he can be the favorite against floyd if he beats cotto by any stoppage, or even a dominating win.

Where do you come up with this? PAC was a 2:1 underdog against FMJ when Floyd announced his return and AFTER PAC knocked out Hatton. PAC doesn't have the ******** public OR boxing experts fooled. Hope Cotto wins so we can get rid of the garbage you guys post.

[handler000]

you're not even a "boxing savvy" yourself!!
why resort to name-calling?? that is childish!!


Boxing savvy is NOT a person. You guys are *******S!! Just speaking the truth. In PAC's best fight against JMM he landed 162 punches; FMJ landed 290. JMM controlled PAC with his jab. Why do you think FMJ was using it against JMM? To get ready for PAC. That side to side bobbing of his head is not going to work. Once JMM start landing his jab PAC stopped throwing; so that crap you guys spew about PAC throwing punches in bunches is garbage. I'm saying all this for nothing because PAC doesn't get past Cotto IMHO. If Cotto hurts him he is in a world of trouble because he doesn't know how to hold. Guess Roach is teaching him that in between giving interviews on FMJ.

[jetgeomcx]

i don't give a dam if they fight or not. but if they do the real p4p king pbf will spank that little ****y midget easily.

since when did manny become "****y"??
he was endeared to many because of his humbleness.
if manny is ****y,...how would you call floyd by your standards?!?
you're the ****y one here.....

Mayweather has the whole welterweight division to turn to should the Pacquiao fight be delayed or not happen for whatever reason. Mosley and Cotto in particular are paydays waiting to happen

Floyd may need it ever so slightly more but Pacquiao needs it too.

then so be it...floyd choose a ww now and not wait for manny.
manny don't need floyd anymore...manny's legacy is a done deal..what more if he beats cotto....you don't know that, don't you!

No problem with that at all. Pac's done more than enough. For those watching him before he got big, we probably all thought he was as far as he could go at 130lbs. Everything he's done since has been a huge bonus and I honestly couldn't ask for anything more. If he fights Floyd, ok, but I could honestly care less about that. Beating Cotto alone would be a huge statement and enough to go out on top without a doubt in my eyes and many others. I also do not want him to be a gatekeeper. That would be so sad to see.

cosign here,...second the motion!!
on the other hand, floyd has plenty to prove.
floyd won't be complete, no matter what he thinks, without cotto, shane, margo...or midget manny if he gets pass cotto.

I don't think he said they will not fight Floyd but it was around the negotiations.
Asking for 60% is not exactly punking out.
Manny can get 60/40 anywhere.
Floyd can get 60/40 just about anywhere with true WW but he won't entertain those.

Why are you guys so upset about a smaller guy "maybe" not wanting to fight a bigger guy anyway?

exactly!!
it is their hate of manny that's driving them wild.
they just can't get the hang of it...a small Asian becoming the p4p#1 and most exciting boxer in the planet today.
everybody wants to whip pac's ass to inherit his superstar status!!
floyd is green with envy....

pac won't get by cotto but he and roachy are seriously ducking the mayweather fight. they saw pbf spank jmm easily. they also know that pac had alot of problems with jmm.that said. there is a big difference between marquez countering and mayweather. pbf will beat the **** out of pac.

pac had improved tremendously in all aspects after the jmm 2.
that's is why he became p4p#1(after floyd), FOTY and espn's best atlethe of the year.
besides, your triangle theory does not always hold true!!

I've said before I'll say it again: This fight aint happening anytime soon...Maybe even never... Which I can care less. Ant no use trying to beat a dead horse with a stick in trying to make a fight with Floyd; when he's going to want everything at his conveniences and so fourth. To be honest I'd take a SSM Vs Manny Pacquiao fight over Floyd anyway's... This fights much easier to make and a lot less headaches. So either way Pacquiao could easily fight Mosely if worse comes to worse, and there ant no shame in taking on Mosely who is equally as tough -- an a fighter that as of right now, Floyd wants no part of. All this assuming he gets by Cotto first.

Or the other option: Manny can retire and still be consider an ATG. Either way he chops it, he's in a win, win situation.

i agree, brah. makes good sense!
manny is better off fyting mosley than floyd...
cotto and shane are the real men in WW...never floyd!
all haters can not claim manny to be ducking floyd, if pac will fyt the man we all know floyd ducked!! hahahaha....
i hope team pacquiao will see through this.

[pugay_kamay]

pac won't get by cotto but he and roachy are seriously ducking the mayweather fight. they saw pbf spank jmm easily. they also know that pac had alot od problems with jmm.that said. there is a big difference between marquez countering and mayweather. pbf will beat the **** out of pac.

Dude are you a pachater or what? I've noticed that you keep on shooting on pac whenever you have the chance.

Anyway, I've been asking this on every thread whenever they said that no one could beat PBF right now, but no one seems to care to answer:

Have you ever consider the 1st bout between SRL & Duran? Leonard is a better boxer more skilled & talented than Duran, plus the fact the Duran moves 2 weight division from LW to WW just to face Leonard, and Duran won.

Do you consider Floyd better than SRL?

[formarkiz]

link or it never happened.


50/50 or pac retires. what pac got will last him forever in teh PI, plus he'll be a senator soon.

floyd can't afford to not make the fight with all his financial problems and lifestyle.

"my **** is paid for, what about yours"

he almost got repoed by the IRS.

Now Pac doesn't want any of Mayweather after seeing the Marquez fight, and his fans thinks it's ok that he doesn't make the fight. Now watch Pac vs Cotto do 600k ppv, and it will make his backing out look that much worse. When Mayweather retired undefeated with 6 titles he was ducking, but when Pac does it's ok because?

[jetgeomcx]

Don't blame PAC. Why fight a fight you know you will get your ass handed too you.

hey, nobody knows anything that has not happened yet.
nostradamus just made 'predictions'..of which he doesn't know if it will happen.
and anything can happen in boxing...in case u don't know.

That is pretty contradicting I'll have to admit. But the point I want to make is it's double standards to accuse Pacquiao of ducking Floyd and give Floyd a pass for brushing off Shane's challenge regardless of how much money each guy brings to the table.

it is blatantly obvious that floyd don't want any piece of mosley...
i wonder how we can call that.....without slighting the floydfans !

Its funny because Roach is talking about Manny like he knows everyting but just a lil while ago he didnt even know where the training camp was going to
be.

no, freddie doesn't know manny, and he never claimed he does.
Freddie just said: manny should retire and walk away from boxing while he's still on top. he didn't say "will" retire....

Freddie admits that he would rather have Pacquiao beat Miguel Cotto to capture the WBO welterweight title on November 14 - and then beat Mayweather in a career-ending fight.
so,,...he still wants manny to fyt floyd!!
it is "clear as mud" now??

stop putting words in freddie's mouth......
people,...read the thread again....and try to understand this time around.