Why wouldn't Usyk take 50-50 in the rematch?

[crimsonfalcon07]

This is beyond obvious. The winner of the fight is the undisputed champion. If that's Usyk, he's the first double undisputed champion in the four belt era (all due respect to Claressa Shields, but women's boxing isn't a deep pool of talent), undefeated, and the victor of a true David v Goliath story. Anyone who thinks he's not going to be a superstar if he beats Tyson Fury is an idiot. And anyone who thinks that Fury is still going to be a big deal if he loses to "the middleweight" is an idiot.

And let's remember Tyson Fury was stripped of the IBF belt for ducking his mandatory, and only missed being stripped of the others for failing a drug test because he vacated before they could strip him.

The loser has nothing, not even a mandatory slot. No bargaining power outside the rematch clause, which Fury's team insisted on to begin with. Why would the loser be entitled to 50? Flip the script. Suppose Fury wins. Should Usyk be entitled to 50 in the second fight after losing when he was only worth 30 in the first fight as an undefeated champion holding the Ring, WBA, WBO, and IBF belts?

Here's the multimillion dollar question. Usyk wants 70/30 to the winner. If Fury wins, he gets 70 in both fights. This only becomes an issue if he's afraid he loses. So why wouldn't Fury take that UNLESS he's afraid of Usyk. Why insist that Usyk should get 50 after he beats Usyk the first time, when he only gave Usyk 30 for the first fight?

If you want to make this about money, it's downright ****** for Fury to insist on a smaller cut for himself. He only loses money if he loses to Usyk too.

[Richard]

After the last few years i don't understand how anyone can support Fury

Have to agree.I use to be an ardent Fury fan. No more though.Uysk is my favourite . Love the way he trains, and treats opponenets eg keeps it more civil when it comes to the verbals ,doesn't use underhand tactics in talking bad about opponents eg calling them ugly and the like.Dont like to hear that sort of talk. Like race people cant help what they look like and there have been instances of people taking their own life due to appearance shaming by others. As a mental health advocate Fury should act more like one.

edit (I blame Fury for the collapse of the Uysk fight)

[QueensburyRules]

30% is $24m.

That's is what Usyk is worth...and 70% would net Fury $50m.

Usyk shouldn't evem break $1m to fight his mandatory. Who is watching that? Casuals don't care. I don't think it will get made and Usyk will get stripped.

Usyk shouldn't be hanging around in boxing messing with heavyweights. It will catch up to him very very soon. That aura of unbeatability shouldn't exist on a man who beat Chisora & AJ. Two doss pots.

- - What grade U in?

U quoting England fight figures with no guarantees. Furry already ducked the the undisputed AJ $150 mil fight with an even split in Saudi Arabia for peanuts for his last fight vs Deyonce whom he KOed the fight before.

Usyk vs Hrgvic in Saudi Arabia makes Usyk more $$$ with guarantees. Usyk with a better career gonna retire with his faculties intact as opposed to Furry whose blubber has turned rancid with a noggin full of jelly.

[MONGOOSE66]

He did v AJ and he was holding 3 belts for the rematch

Also don't say "he deserves more because he has 3 belts" - it means nothing financially

Usyk will find out how much his belts are worth when he fights Dubois for a few million. Devin Haney has 4 and will probably fight earn a few million at best too.

Usyk should have accepted. That rematch was a fair deal.

I get Fury getting the bigger chunk for the initial fight. Dont you think its fair that Usyk gets the bigger chunk if he wins? Sounds reasonable to me.
Right now Fury is the man. If he looses Usyk is the man.
Im tired of GREED dominating EVERYTHING in our lives. This is a problem with ALL aspects of daily COMPLAINTS from ALL OF US. We all need to quit being so damn selfish and GREEDY.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Two possible splits.

Option 1 (What Fury insists on): 70/30 first fight, 50/50 second fight.

If Fury wins, he gets 70 first fight, 50 second fight
If Usyk wins he gets 30 first fight, 50 second fight.

Option 2: 70/30 first fight, 70/30 second fight.

If Fury wins, he gets 70 first fight, 70 second fight.

If Usyk wins he gets 30 first fight, 30 second fight.

If Fury gets his way, and also wins, he gets LESS money with his demand. He ONLY loses out if he loses the fight.

They're trying to claim that Usyk is being greedy, but Usyk agreed to 30% as the guy with the most belts, and he would get the short end in a rematch if he loses too. Fury is literally trying to give Usyk more money if Fury wins the first fight, but calling Usyk greedy because he won't take the additional 20%.

[j0zef]

The mental gymnastics required to justify Fury's antics are impressive. Dude's own trainer admits Fury had no intention to fight Usyk.

[hugh grant]

Negotiations are really childlike arent they? Surely there has to be compromise when the main thing is to get fight made? If Fury dont want to give 50-50 in rematch, Usyk should get something else in return, its compromising. Maybe give Ukraine so and so amount and Usyk will compromise.
They should be talking and saying what can i do to make you agree the fight and say Okay, but then you give me this, dont be so stubborn.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Negotiations are really childlike arent they? Surely there has to be compromise when the main thing is to get fight made? If Fury dont want to give 50-50 in rematch, Usyk should get something else in return, its compromising. Maybe give Ukraine so and so amount and Usyk will compromise.
They should be talking and saying what can i do to make you agree the fight and say Okay, but then you give me this, dont be so stubborn.

That would require Fury to actually compromise. Look at the numbers above. He is ducking, plain and simple. Nothing was ever going to be enough. If it wasn't this, it would be something else. He's literally insisting on giving Usyk more money in the rematch. He only loses money if he loses the first fight. How does that make sense if he's NOT afraid of Usyk.

[kafkod]

He did v AJ and he was holding 3 belts for the rematch

Also don't say "he deserves more because he has 3 belts" - it means nothing financially

Usyk will find out how much his belts are worth when he fights Dubois for a few million. Devin Haney has 4 and will probably fight earn a few million at best too.

Usyk should have accepted. That rematch was a fair deal.

Was Usyk holding 3 belts when he negotiated the rematch terms with AJ?

Think about what you're saying here. If Fury hadn't ducked and Usyk had beaten him, then Usyk would be going into a rematch as the undisputed, Ring Magazine and lineal champion - and even then he wouldn't be getting the lion's share of the purse to compensate him for accepting a derisory 30% cut in the first fight.

And what if the rematch happened in Saudi, where Fury wouldn't be bringing in any more gate money than Usyk?

I've been supporting Fury at this forum and telling people he was the world's best heavyweight since before you had an account here, but he's lost me as a fan with this bullshit.

[kafkod]

How about stop making a big super star from Fury? His last win is Chisora.

Joshua was much bigger name before Usyk beat him twice.

Usyk vs Chisora sold more UK PPVs than Fury vs Chisora 3.

AJ sold 600k UK PPVs against Pulev. He sold over 1.2 million in both fights vs Usyk.

Those numbers tell anybody with a brain that Usyk brings a lot to the table when he fights in the UK.