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  • Originally posted by SilverSamurai View Post
    How is it a cheap shot? Ed believes that the ex heavyweight karate champion who outweighed Lee by 50 lbs could beat him, Bruce wasn't unbeatable. Gene Lebell says the same thing as well,that Joe could beat Lee. The same Gene Lebell who manhandled Lee when they first sparred. Notice that Gene Lebell says that Bruce was a great martial artist, not a fighter, the two thing are not the same. Bruce was untested as a fighter.
    Dan Inosanto says that out of all the martial artists he has trained with, he believes that Benny the Jet would be able to give Bruce a run for his money.
    Gene says a lot of stuf that i say BS on! Did Gene say that about Joe and Lee? A link would be nice.
    Again do you think would have said those things to Bruce face? I personally dont think he would of or has done. So to say the things you claim Gene has said, i personally take as a posthumous cheapshot.
    Has Gene said he manhandled Lee? I dont think he has! Bruce was tested as a fighter. Just not tested against everyone and anyone. But i can judge Bruce from the encounters he did have as can anyone.

    Benny was a good martial artist. And im sure a fight with bruce and benny would be interesting.

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    • from
      http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/davismiller.html

      Davis Miller is good friends with Lebell, Lewis and Norris and Tan.

      Originally posted by Davis Miller View Post
      Gene Lebell and Joe Lewis. Lebell had all the necessary tools to take out Lee. Regardless of what Lebell has said about Lee in various martial arts magazines, he did not particularly respect Lee's abilities as a fighter. If Lebell were to lose to Lee, that's why; he would've assumed he could walk all over him, as he had done with him on THE GREEN HORNET set. On the other hand, Joe Lewis would not have underestimated Lee. He knew damned well what Lee was capable of -- and how he would've attempted to accomplish it. In addition, Joe had the same tools that Lee had. The difference: Joe's were bigger, more powerful; he had more. And he had the explosiveness and the savvy to use them. I recognize that a whole lot of people think of Joe Lewis as a tournament fighter. To Joe, that was simply a silly game of tag that he enjoyed. The real Joe Lewis is an amazing martial warrior, arguably the finest of the past century. Just a couple names to mention among Lee's contemporaries.
      To read about Lebell's encounter with Lee, you are going to have to read his book, he covers it there. Why would Gene Lebell lie? What possible reason could he have?
      What is your criteria for what opinions about Lee you accept and reject?

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      • Theres the name Davis Miller again. I dont trust anything he says, because he tries to make lee less immortal than he already is.
        If Gene didnt respect Bruces abilities as a fighter, why didnt he make that known when Bruce was alive and saying he could beat anyone in the world? But it is made known after bruce dies! I personally have never heard Gene talk bad of Bruces fighting abilities, and if he did i would say BS.

        But silver samurai you are entitled to think and believe what you want. Ive got my reasons for thinking what i think. I go with my gut instinct. I think a lot of people think along my lines.

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        • Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
          Bruce was alive and saying he could beat anyone in the world?
          And here is the problem, you have made up your mind based on what? The first superhuman Bruce Lees stories you heard, and from that point onwards the stories that agree with your belief you accept and the ones that disagree, you reject. I think Bruce said to a reporter he could beat anyone in the world, but that belief was based on what, exactly. He was untested as a fighter, he sparred with a lot of people, but sparring and fighting are not the same thing.
          Last edited by Adamantium; 10-04-2009, 05:31 AM.

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          • Originally posted by SilverSamurai View Post
            And here is the problem, you have made up your mind based on what? The first superhuman Bruce Lees stories you heard, and from that point onwards the stories that agree with your belief you accept and the ones that disagree, you reject. I think Bruce said to a reporter he could beat anyone in the world, but that believe was based on what, exactly. He was untested as a fighter, he sparred with a lot of people, but sparring and fighting are not the same thing.
            But you must know bruce was not interested in kidding himself he was great. Sparring was for real with bruce. If you ask any of Lees students if bruce beat them they would say yes, and they have already said this. The Jesse Glovers, James Demiles, Ed harts, Bob Bremners and Larry hartsells of this world would all say Bruce beat them for real.
            That is why i say Davis Miller talks BS. He said i will have to ask Larry hartsell if he sparred with Bruce. To me that is complete amatuerish talk. I even know Larry Hartsell sparred with bruce. I read an interview where he first met Bruce and he said he couldnt touch bruce and bruce would jab his forehead. Larry said he would have liked to have pinned him to the floor but bruce moved so well. This was in martial arts illustrated. So even i know they sparred, and Davis the cowboy dont.

            And even when Davis Miller discovers Larry did spar with bruce it wont make any difference to Davis opinions anyway. He certainly wont mention how easily Bruce handled everyone he did spar with. He certainly didnt mention it in Tao of Bruce lee when he had the chance to.!!!! Because that will make Lee look good, and we know Davis dont want none of that.

            Bruce sparred and had fights. Joe Lewis fighting competions is basically glorified sparring.
            Last edited by hugh grant; 10-03-2009, 12:59 PM.

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            • Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
              But you must know bruce was not interested in kidding himself he was great. Sparring was for real with bruce. If you ask any of Lees students if bruce beat them they would say yes. The Jesse Glovers, James Demiles, Ed harts, Bob Bremners and Larry hartsells of this world would all say Bruce beat them for real.
              That is why i say Davis Miller talks BS. He said i will have to ask Larry hartsell if he sparred with Bruce. To me that is complete amatuerish talk. I even know Larry Hartsell sparred with bruce. I read an interview where he first met Bruce and he said he couldnt touch bruce and bruce would jab his forehead. Larry said he would have liked to have pinned him to the floor but bruce moved so well. This was in martial arts illustrated. So even i know they sparred, and Davis the cowboy dont.

              And even when Davis Miller discovers Larry did spar with bruce it wont make any difference to Davis opinions anyone. He certainly wont mention how easily Bruce handled everyone he did spar with. He certainly didnt mention it in Tao of Bruce lee when he had the chance to.!!!!

              Bruce sparred and had fights. Joe Lewis fighting competions is basically glorified sparring.
              Look, i've got to go, but this post brings me back to my original point are any of those guys you listed as good as Stone, Lewis or Lebell. The outcome of those sparring matches was already certain before they happened. What about sparring with guys were the outcome wasnt certain, why didnt bruce get around to sparring those kind of guys. Glorified sparring, I hope you are joking. Who is more of a fighter the guy thats steps into the ring and puts it on the line against other opponents or the guy who talks but fights nobody worth mentioning. The outcome of the Jak Wok Man fight is still up for debate3 by the way. Linda Lee is far from a credibwe witness.

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                Originally posted by SilverSamurai View Post
                Look, i've got to go, but this post brings me back to my original point are any of those guys you listed as good as Stone, Lewis or Lebell. The outcome of those sparring matches was already certain before they happened. What about sparring with guys were the outcome wasnt certain, why didnt bruce get around to sparring those kind of guys. Glorified sparring, I hope you are joking. Who is more of a fighter the guy thats steps into the ring and puts it on the line against other opponents or the guy who talks but fights nobody worth mentioning. The outcome of the Jak Wok Man fight is still up for debate3 by the way. Linda Lee is far from a credibwe witness.
                Well James Lee and Linda Lee were there and they said the fight was 3 minutes.
                The thing is people have come forward and said Bruce beat Joe Lewiss ass. Whenever there are witnesses Bruce is toying with people. So if you want to believe Joe didnt spar with bruce, you can believe that if you want.

                But Bruce was Joes trainer. And did Joe become a better fighter working with bruce? You better believe he did. So bruce did his job as a teacher. So what are you complaing about? If they didnt spar maybe bruce didnt think it was beneficail to beat Joe up to prepare him for fights. Who knows? Bruce had plenty of work for Joe to be getting on with anyway.
                I dont know if Bruce sparred with Gene as well. From what ive heard they didnt spar. But im not sure. Lees not here to tell us what we want to hear. But arent you going to give Bruce credit for being outstanding with the people he did spar with? Or will you prefer to imagine how well he may not have done with people he didnt spar with.

                Maybe it is better he didnt spar with Gene and Joe. Because they might be giving anecdotes like Bob Wall. And you dont want that. Davis Miller certainly wouldnt want that.
                So yes its good that they didnt spar with Bruce. That way Davis Miller and people similar to Davis Miller ie Tom Bleeker can fantasize about how Bruce would be the underdog against GenE lebel and Joe Lewis and fantasize about what they would do to Bruce.
                Davis Miller dont deal with reality. There are anecdotes of what Bruce did, but they dont get any mention from Davis. Davis claims to not know if Bruce even sparred with his students. You see what im getting at? Davis Miller is trying to hook up with Gene and Joe to stir some kind of **** on Bruce. But Gene said one of the reasons Bruce was so damn good was because he was in seriously great shape, doing 2 finger push ups and stuff like that.
                Gene does think Bruce was a great fighter. Dont listen to Davis!
                Last edited by hugh grant; 10-03-2009, 06:25 PM.

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                • Interviewer: It must have been embarrassing for some of these guys.

                  Bob Wall: "Think about it this way...many of these guys were WORLD CHAMPIONS. They had faced and defeated the best in the business accross the globe. They are proud fighters. Who wouldn't be humiliated losing to a guy who has not fought professionally, and has no rank or certification to boot? It is my opinion that losing to Bruce in some ways was more devastating than losing a title fight. At least in a title fight, you know your opponent worked his butt off to get there, and it took a great deal of time. Many years of hard work, and paying your dues. Then you fight this little 140 pound guy and he just cleans your clock."

                  Interviewer: Can you really call them fights? I mean, sparring isn't really fighting is it?

                  Bob Wall: "YOU tell these guys they weren't real fights. It was damn brutal!
                  In fact, most of these guys have never taken that kind of punishment before, but they sure learned the difference between what they were used to, and what they were learning from Bruce!

                  Interviewer: Were there any rules, or did you really try and hurt each other?

                  Bob Wall: "Well, we certainly didn't want to see anyone get hurt, that's just an inevitability sometimes. And no, the only rule was no following through with joint locks. If we did follow through, reconstructive surgery would be needed.


                  Why isnt this in Davis Millers book? Can you really say bruce didnt put it on the line? He was playing with world champs. They should be toying with bruce the actor. But no! So of course Lee could have been shot down at any given moment. But the evidence shows it didnt happen. Bruce was embarrasing champs so of course they wanted to hurt Bruce real bad.
                  They wanted to show bruce who the real fighters were, and who the actor who talked **** about tournement fighters who should stick to acting were. But they couldnt.
                  Bruce talked rubish about tournament fighters and then embarassed them in sparring. They would really want to embarass Bruce, if for putting down tournament fighters who put it on the line only, but couldnt. So the sparring was serious. Real serious. If Bob Wall says it let that be the end of it. Bob wall was a seriously respected martial artist in the martial art world, even if you dont want to think it But all Lee could say of him was that he took hits real good.
                  Last edited by hugh grant; 10-03-2009, 04:19 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
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                    Well James Lee and Linda Lee were there and they said the fight was 3 minutes.
                    The thing is people have come forward and said Bruce beat Joe Lewis's ass. Whenever there are witnesses Bruce is toying with people. So if you want to believe Joe didnt spar with bruce, you can believe that if you want.
                    Why do you keep doing this? You keep making this vague claims without any sources or names. Where did you read about this? Please give me a book, interview or a name of a witness, so that I can check it out. Bruce's lessons with Joe and Stone were private lessons, no one else was around. So what people are you talking about? Joe has admitted that his sparring partners used to give him hell and his first two trainers used to kick his ass. George Tan has said that Lewis, Urquidez, Miller, Wallace etc, all admitted getting 'lit up', when they started boxing, it's all part of the learning process.Why is he going to lie about not sparring with Lee?

                    As for Linda Lee and co, what makes her summary of the event anymore reliable, than what Wok Jan Man and his students have said. Isn't this the same Linda Lee, who claimed that the Tao of Jeet Kune Do, was written by Bruce and openly endorsed Dragon the movie?
                    Last edited by Adamantium; 10-04-2009, 05:20 AM.

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                    • you damn ******s Bruce Lee is an ACTOR. He would get owned by any low level journeyman in today's MMA. In a real street fight I would easily choose Jackie Chan over Bruce Lee and Jet Li would probably kick his ass too.

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