Comments Thread For: Showtime Head on Crawford's 'Transparency' Demands: Absolutely Baffling; Got to Have Certain Level of Trust

[MexicanFistology]

The whole point and dilemma here is Terrence Crawford thinks he’s bigger than what he actually is. He doesn’t sell, he barely sells in his own hometown of omaha. If anything he deserves a 20% to Errol 80% , simply because Errol sells at least in Dallas, he breaks audience records. The numbers are there

[P4P Forever]

Yep technically it is. Crawford started fighting at lower weight classes and he can be at welterweight comfortably for the rest of his career. Errol Spence started at 147 and hasn’t moved up because he wants to unify all the belts at 147 but he can’t do that because Crawford thinks he’s bigger than what he actually is and keeps stalling the fight. So yes, Spence if fighting a ex world champion at a higher weight class because he needs to fill up his body and most importantly stay active.

Lol yeah right

[P4P Forever]

The whole point and dilemma here is Terrence Crawford thinks he’s bigger than what he actually is. He doesn’t sell, he barely sells in his own hometown of omaha. If anything he deserves a 20% to Errol 80% , simply because Errol sells at least in Dallas, he breaks audience records. The numbers are there

Mexican clown

[dopemoney81]

The contract terms were fine. This is about something else. If I really wanted a fight, especially a megabout that would secure my legacy in a weight class and quiet all the doubters forever, you think I'd let "financial transparency" stop me from that fight? Not in the slightest. I wouldn't even care if the underdog was getting a little more $$ than me. If that contract is at least relatively close to what I would like to make or what my attorney says is "realistic," I take that fight. No, this is very obviously about something more than money.

[Bullrider]

Only Bud Crawford would be willing to provide any answer to that, truthfully or not. You can't get anything out of the PBC mystery house. Even insider Coppinger couldn't get any detail other than the topic of guarantee and transparency, which is worth one day of talking to the phone in one hour.

Even Espinoza noticed the crawling pace of the negotiations when he said the other day, “So, in order for this to be a productive thing moving forward, there’s got to be a different way of going about it than sitting there and going an inch at a time over months and months.”

It sounded like he's about to throw PBC folks under the bus, but quickly changed his tune back to blaming Crawford with this new article.

Yeah, obviously.

[SUBZER0ED]

Guy. You’re in a thread where a guy who admits to being partial for team PBC is basically telling you Crawford was right when he said they were stalling and refusing him transparency/write off approvals until he walked and started negotiating for Avanesyan. And you’re not even putting two and two together to see Spence actually agreed to this, and if what Crawford says is true, Spence and co. Only did so to run game on guys like you.

You saw Spencer dance around this right

They're not running game on me, because idgaf about all of this bs. I have nothing invested in this fight and nothing to lose, whether it pops off or not. I, like you and everyone here, am speculating on the issue based on what I read. The truth is, we don't know the absolute truth. I just want to see them fight, man.

[F l i c k e r]

That's not actually true. The "upfront" expenses are really not that much in these situations, and fighters are usually waiting for most of their PPV revenue, so a promotion like Spence-Crawford probably wouldnt spend over $5-6 million in advance expenses, if even that much. All the marketing expenses, travel/accomodations, undercard purses, venue expenses, etc would all get paid in advance, or immediately after the fight, but not the entire Spence and Crawford purses, because they had no guaranteed purses. Maybe the fine print says they get a million or 2 on fight night to pay their teams / management, but the bulk of it wouldnt be for weeks, maybe months.

And very few co-promotions are 50-50. In most every case, the lead promoter puts up the advance money, collects the revenue, pays themselves back for whatever expenses were outlayed, and then the leftover money (profit) is paid out based on whatever the co-promotion split was.

Okay, let's say that it's actually less money to co promote.

Either way, the crux of the discussion is, Crawford demanded something that would never be given unless he co promoted.

He didn't even attempt to do so either, for all we know.

So, while let's say it would only cost 3 million of his own money to gain access to the books.

Did Crawford do so? No. Did he even try? Likely not because if he did, he would've said so in that "tell all" video he did.

[Jrock56]

The common denominator as to why fights stall forever or never happen are negotiations and PBC. It’s not until they get what they want and how they want it do they allow a fight.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

B side is all about the business side. Who brings the money. Bud hasn’t shown he can be a draw that brings in the cash. Arum lost money on him for years and I’m sure he wants to work with a guy that called him a racist and is suing him again.

Bud tried to call his own shot and failed. If he made made $10 million for his last fight that was a huge bomb. At $39.99 it would have had to have sold $250k just to cover his purse. Didn’t even do half of that. Doesn’t even take into account paying other fighters and cost to put on the fight. Guy isn’t a draw, period.

It’s not what you make it’s what you bring back. Bud hasn’t had a profitable fight on PPV yet.

And let’s face it his run at Welterweight has been mediocre at best. No hopers and well past their prime guys like Khan, Brook, and Porter.

So when Haymon tells him that if the fight does well they both get paid but he has to minimize his risk because Bud hasn’t shown he can bring in big money then Bud has no one to blame but himself. He’s not in a position to make demands.

B side is the business side..... That goes without saying... I'm not suggesting he should be the A Side....I mean he is coming in with one title vs EJ's 3..... I'm simply saying it's ignorant to suggest a man as accomplished as Crawford should just "accept anything" someone gives him. Don't try to demean or discredit his legacy when the guy you claiming is superior to him is still trying to accomplish half of what he has......

Bud is not a promoter but managed to get himself a guaranteed $10M.....That was BLK Prime's first Boxing event....it's weird they chose to do it on PPV. But the thing that BLK Prime was able to do was project what they would be able to get from marketing Crawford before they offered him his guarantee. Obviously they didn't regret it because EVERYONE from the fighters to the commentator to the announcer to the venue, etc... have all been paid in full and they proposed to Crawford to work with him again. The only mfers speaking ill about Crawford and numbers is the broke mfers who choose to hate on him because they love Spence..... PPV isn't about one fighter as a draw, it's about a match ups and how the company is able to market the match up.... Bob Arum claimed that Manny Pacquiao lost him money as well.....He also claim Floyd wasn't as marketable as he thinks he is...... Fact is, Bob Arum in his old age tries to maximize his own cut while giving his fights as close to the minimum as possible.

Crawford's first PPV was on HBO while they were shutting down boxing for good and it was vs a euro fighter whom American boxing fans knew nothing about..... His 2nd PPV match up was vs Amir Khan, huge in his homeland, but another fighter American fans don't follow. And this fight only happened because Danny Garcia turned down $3M to fight Crawford for a title. Crawford's 3rd PPV was vs Porter which to date is hill largest at 200K....just 100K less than the Porter/Spence card. Then we see what a new platform like BLK Prime did. Crawford hasn't been given an opportunity to market a big fight on PPV vs an opponent that is on the same spectrum in the sport as he by American fighters.

Meanwhile, EJ's first attempt at a PPV was denied because Kell Brook's homeland knew nothing about him.....He needed a fighter whom had a huge following to build a PPV, introducing a 135 lb champion, Mikey Garcia......and it's not like he did huge numbers....$350K doesn't make him a huge star. But notice as the fans wanted EJ/Crawford instead EJ was fighting others, the numbers were going down hill......He went from 350K vs Mikey to 300K vs Porter to 250K vs Danny to 240K vs Ugas..... It just goes to show that EJ isn't a mega PPV star.....he just happens to fight names that American fans recognize. So imagine what he and Crawford can do if they both are on the same card vs each other......

And please stop with the ignorance of discrediting his welterweight resume.....Since Crawford decided to leave 140 and move up in 2017, 6 out of his 7 opponents were ranked in the top 10 of the division, which Amir Khan being the only one that wasn't ranked. Meanwhile in that same time Spence had 6 opponents and only 3 were ranked in the top 10. We'll ignore that Crawford moved up in divisions as his body matured and got stronger while Spence fought as a middleweight in the amateurs, started his pro career at 154 and moved down to welterweight just to become a contender........and his first welterweight opponent was none other than Gerardo Cuevas who was 17-11 as a pro...He's currently retired at 18-19..... but you want to **** on Crawford's welterweight resume......lol.

When Al Haymon pays his biggest names less than what Crawford is making and can't even pay them in full. Stop the bull **** about Crawford bringing in big money.. He's not a puppet. He's not going to allow Haymon to control how well he's able to feed his family like those clowns who are signed with PBC.... He tried to keep Crawford from making any money the entire year of 2022. Crawford said he wanted to fight 3x last year. He was in negotiations with PBC from February to September....and would have MAYBE been able to fight Spence in early 2023..... You clowns are so use to being ****** that you think it's weird when you see someone else be free from that ignorance.

[OnePunch]

Okay, let's say that it's actually less money to co promote.

Either way, the crux of the discussion is, Crawford demanded something that would never be given unless he co promoted.

He didn't even attempt to do so either, for all we know.

So, while let's say it would only cost 3 million of his own money to gain access to the books.

Did Crawford do so? No. Did he even try? Likely not because if he did, he would've said so in that "tell all" video he did.

again, thats not necessarily true. Crawford was fighting for a revenue split WITHOUT a guarantee. Transparency on expenses would have to be mandatory, to make sure the lead promoter wasnt cooking the books. Now it got a bit messy if he was asking for APPROVAL, because that would be next to impossible to achieve. But they could have agreed to the overall budget, and required mutual approval to go OVER budget. That could have been done quite easily.

Flip the script here and see if you still think PBCs position was fair. Lets say Bud is still with Top Rank, and Arum is the lead promoter. Should Spence just blindly trust that Arum is going to be on the up and up with the revenue? No transparency? The answer is a resounding NO. So why should it be any different just because its Haymon?