Why do people act like Anthony Joshua ducked Wilder ?

[kafkod]

This is false. Joshua hadn't agreed to the fight and DAZN's offer was contingent on Joshua winning his next fight, which he didn't.

Joshua had repeatedly ducked the fight prior to that and likely would have ducked again.

Wilder's position was that there was no reason to fight Breazeale on DAZN and that if Joshua won his next fight and was willing to fight Wilder, DAZN could then make a real offer. There was no reason to sign with DAZN unless the Joshua fight was guaranteed instead of being hypothetical.

The DAZN offer was contingent on them both winning any interim fights and retaining their titles before fighting each other.

AJ was on board with that plan, Wilder turned it down and, instead, went after a come-backing Tyson Fury for much less money, which he admitted himself in the link at the top of this thread.

[Dubblechin]

Whether AJ and Wilder would have unified the titles if Wilder had accepted the DAZN deal is a different topic.

The topic I'm discussing is why some people act like AJ ducked Wilder when he was ready and willing to fight Deontay when they were both undefeated champions. The DAZN plan was for 2 fights between them, both in the US. AJ was on board with that, Wilder turned it down. What happened to them afterwards is irrelevant.




Yes, Wilder is doing ok, but I just want to point out that the $95million you claimed he earned was from 5 fights. That's 2 more than the 3 fight $100million DAZN deal he turned down. I also believe you are wildly inflating his purses for some of those 5 fights. $20million for Helenius?

Also, if you believe Wilder beats AJ, then at the end of the DAZN deal he would have been the undisputed, undefeated world heavyweight champion, not the former WBC camp with a draw and 2 KO defeats on his record, which is where he is now.

I'm not CLAIMING or inflating anything. I looked up the PPV payouts before I posted them.

Second, Wilder wouldn't have gotten all the belts and $100 million for just three fights because Joshua LOST his titles a couple weeks after Wilder beat Breazeale.

The two $40 million paydays in the deal were for two unified title fights with Joshua. ($20 million for Breazeale and $80 for two Joshua unified title fights).

Joshua had no belts for Wilder to win.

So whatever deal Wilder signed with DAZN would've been out the window when Joshua spit out his mouthpiece and quit against Ruiz.

The deal they offered wasn't offering to pay him that much against someone else.

If Wilder had signed the deal, beat Breazeale and Joshua lost, like he did, how many years would Wilder have been on the shelf waiting to collect the other $80 million?

He had to wait for Joshua to regain the titles. He had to wait out COVID. He'd have to wait out Joshua having to fight his mandatories which were all due after he spent a whole year trying to get past Ruiz. And he'd have to hope the WBC didn't strip him (since the WBC ordered Fury-Wilder 2).

Whatever deal Wilder signed would've been blown up when Joshua lost.

That's all I'm saying. There was a tight window when those three fights DAZN offered could take place. And even if Wilder accepted, the window closed when Joshua lost.

But it worked out. Wilder ended up with nearly all of the money anyway. If it took him five fights instead, big deal.

As for the belts, the truth is Fury beat Wilder twice and Usyk beat Joshua twice, and Joshua couldn't even keep his belts against Ruiz. So the winner between Wilder vs Joshua wouldn't have let us know who the best heavyweight was - because history shows they weren't the two best.

Everyone got paid a lot.

None of them will need a fundraiser to stay afloat.

Maybe we'll find out who the best heavyweight is when Fury and Usyk fight.

Or maybe we already learned that when Fury beat Wilder.

All I know is the best heavyweight isn't Joshua or Wilder.

[STREET CLEANER]

Wilder had mentioned that he was offended the way Hearn and company treated him during an offer/negotiation. Hearn admitted that Wilder should had been treated better during the negotiations.

[Marchegiano]

I've not been here long, but I think the feminine nature of his fanbase may not be doing him any service. It does make it much easier to hate Joshua, or rather, not hate him so much as hate on his career.

But, but, but after he ran and hide like a coward he came back when it looked like others might be able to make good money without him and threw out figures for nothing guaranteed in an attempt to sidetrack figures that were guaranteed. And his hypothetical figures were larger than the guaranteed figures too. ..... Sounds like ****** little girls to me.

[Silence]

So.. you criticize him because of fighting Fury who is much better fighter than bodybuilding merchant for less amount of money?

Take your pill. Wilder one shots any version of AJ.

[M312]

You're misrepresenting the truth.

Joshua ducked the undefeated vs undefeated undisputed fight.

Right after Joshua got knocked out, Wilder took slightly less to give Fury a deserved rematch rather than fighting the recently dethroned Joshua.

Nope, you are. The DAZN offer was before the Ruiz fight and was more than 'slightly less'.

Wilders team just didn't want it.

[uppercut510]

oh boy, this again

[kafkod]

I'm not CLAIMING or inflating anything. I looked up the PPV payouts before I posted them.

Second, Wilder wouldn't have gotten all the belts and $100 million for just three fights because Joshua LOST his titles a couple weeks after Wilder beat Breazeale.

The two $40 million paydays in the deal were for two unified title fights with Joshua. ($20 million for Breazeale and $80 for two Joshua unified title fights).

Joshua had no belts for Wilder to win.

So whatever deal Wilder signed with DAZN would've been out the window when Joshua spit out his mouthpiece and quit against Ruiz.

The deal they offered wasn't offering to pay him that much against someone else.

If Wilder had signed the deal, beat Breazeale and Joshua lost, like he did, how many years would Wilder have been on the shelf waiting to collect the other $80 million?

He had to wait for Joshua to regain the titles. He had to wait out COVID. He'd have to wait out Joshua having to fight his mandatories which were all due after he spent a whole year trying to get past Ruiz. And he'd have to hope the WBC didn't strip him (since the WBC ordered Fury-Wilder 2).

Whatever deal Wilder signed would've been blown up when Joshua lost.

That's all I'm saying. There was a tight window when those three fights DAZN offered could take place. And even if Wilder accepted, the window closed when Joshua lost.

But it worked out. Wilder ended up with nearly all of the money anyway. If it took him five fights instead, big deal.

As for the belts, the truth is Fury beat Wilder twice and Usyk beat Joshua twice, and Joshua couldn't even keep his belts against Ruiz. So the winner between Wilder vs Joshua wouldn't have let us know who the best heavyweight was - because history shows they weren't the two best.

Everyone got paid a lot.

None of them will need a fundraiser to stay afloat.

Maybe we'll find out who the best heavyweight is when Fury and Usyk fight.

Or maybe we already learned that when Fury beat Wilder.

All I know is the best heavyweight isn't Joshua or Wilder.

I don't understand why you keep trying to justify Wilder turning down the DAZN deal by talking about things that happened months after the deal was offered and rejected. Do you believe somebody in Wilder's team has a magic crystal ball?

But, just FYI, the deal was that they would fight each other later that year with a rematch early the following year. And it was contingent on them both remaining undefeated and retaining their titles till then. If Wilder had accepted it and AJ had then lost his titles to Andy Ruiz, this is what DAZN offered Wilder as a back up ...

"Under the contract terms contemplated by DAZN, if Joshua lost or was otherwise unavailable to fight Wilder, Deontay would have received a $40 million purse from DAZN to fight the best (in terms of marketability and skill) available opponent in each of his next two fights. It would have been DAZN's responsibility to deliver Joshua or another opponent."

https://www.boxingscene.com/what-if-...-offer--150953

So the offer guaranteed Deontay $20million for Beazeale then $80million for his next 2 fights, whether they were against AJ or somebody else. It was a fantastic offer, which is why nobody could believe Deontay turned it down ... until his fanboys started using their imaginations and inventing all kinds of crazy excuses for him, the same way they did after he got rag-dolled by Fury.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

One comeback blow out win against a Helenius level fall guy and AJ is in exactly the same position as Wilder.

Wilder has already had those era defining fights vs Fury. AJ hasn’t had them against his contemporaries.

For the last 7 years, there were 3 HW fights we wanted to see above all else. Fury vs Wilder, Fury vs Joshua and Wilder vs Joshua.

[paulf]

The truth:

Like Mayweather and Pacquiao, neither's team really tried to do everything they could to make the fight happen. Because they'd rather their respective guys keep beating up medicore fighters than go into a 50-50 bout.

They can point fingers. Their fans can point fingers. But the truth is, if they really wanted it done... it would have happened. It didn't.

If Wilder really wanted it, he would have taken the multi-fight deal with DAZN.

If Joshua really wanted it, he would have made Wilder an offer to fight immediately without the multi-fight deal with DAZN tied to it.

Neither was willing to do what it would take to get the other in the ring. Because they didn't want to fight.